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Ryze's Ult is counterproductive?

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Does anyone else think that Ryze's ult is counterproductive? I mean, it gives you spellvamp, and then it makes your abilities AoE, thus applying the 1/3 AoE spellvamp penalty. It just seems like it doesn't work as it was intended.

What do you guys think?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Lugignaf » April 12, 2012 10:52am | Report
It's free healing. Is this a problem when you have 2 other spells that hit hard and apply the full value?


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It makes all your spells AoE, so all your spells reduce the spellvamp. It's free healing, true, so I'm not really complaining, but I just fine it odd that it gives you spellvamp and then reduces the actual spellvamp you get.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by PsiGuard » April 12, 2012 11:30am | Report
Ryze usually uses his ult to either AoE farm or team fight. In both cases, the extra AoE (besides giving more damage output) lets you heal off of more targets than usual. You may only get a third of the spellvamp off of one Q, but what if it hits 3 or 4 targets?

Theoretically it's an odd combination, but I think in practice it works just fine.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by DuffTime » April 12, 2012 11:54am | Report
Ryze is OP so who cares if his ult doesn't make sense.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Temzilla » April 12, 2012 12:03pm | Report
His Q for example, gets full spellvamp from 1 target, and then the ultimate gets 1/3 spell vamp.

Same with his W, and his E(I think...).

It's not counterproductive, because only the splash is AoE damage, and only the splash is 1/3 healing.
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You sure his Q still gives single target vamping? Not sure it does.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Temzilla » April 12, 2012 2:07pm | Report
DuffTime wrote:

You sure his Q still gives single target vamping? Not sure it does.


Basically, spell vamp is affected by damage source.

ALL of the AoE damage is created by his ultimate as a spell effect seperately from his single target spells, which then gets affected by spell vamp seperately from the damage his single target Q does.

I am unsure of E's spell vamp coefficient to begin with, so i can't say if it is full 100% or not, but Q and W get full spell vamp.
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o.

ok. ryze op.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Jpikachu1999 » April 12, 2012 4:10pm | Report
If that's really the case, Ryze is so OP.

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