Scarlisle's Torch

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]a 5 gp/10 aura? [color=#00ffff]WANT[/color][/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Trophycase] Even cooler... it gave global gold per 10 [/quote] Now that would be silly. Because either everyone would buy it. It would be so much better than any other item choice as far as the early game goes that you would just rush it every game unless you had a team that was designed specifically to win within 25~ minutes (The amount of time i estimate it would take a support character to farm enough gold for a 3k item doesn't greatly help their ability to, you know... support and stuff.)[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Several supports can actually farm, despite contrary belief...Soraka actually has "farmer" as one of her tags for crying out loud (XD), and yet we have this whole group of people who don't notice that little less-than-5-second-cooldown ability [[starcall]]... Janna has [[Howling Gale]], Lux has [[Lucent Singularity]]...most supports can farm quite well actually. EDIT: and did I mention it doesn't usually take very long. it's mostly AA characters that have trouble farming...and even they have multiple target stuff to help them...[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Several supports can actually farm, despite contrary belief...Soraka actually has "farmer" as one of her tags for crying out loud (XD), and yet we have this whole group of people who don't notice that little less-than-5-second-cooldown ability [[starcall]]... Janna has [[Howling Gale]], Lux has [[Lucent Singularity]]...most supports can farm quite well actually. EDIT: and did I mention it doesn't usually take very long. it's mostly AA characters that have trouble farming...and even they have multiple target stuff to help them... [/quote] Obviously. But supports shouldn't be getting 3k+ gold unless you are absolutely dominating the enemy team before 25 minutes. Edit: Let me clarify, If you are a "Support" and you are farming CS, and are not in a solo lane, you aren't doing it right. (The main reason Janna is one of the best supports in the game, she doesn't need items to do well.) I can see maybe getting a 5g/10 aura item for 3k gold, but it would amount to 1 dragon every 430 seconds if my math is right. (The dragon spawns every 360 seconds, and is very easy to take down with a team effort.) I would much rather just spend that 900g on wards and items that increase my potential as a support such as AP items or CDR items like Kindlegem or Fiendish Codex.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I just wanted to be sure, because I see a lot of stupid people taking smite on supports because "Soraka/Karma/Sona/Lux/[[[insert support here]]] can't farm".[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] I just wanted to be sure, because I see a lot of stupid people taking smite on supports because "Soraka/Karma/Sona/Lux/[[[insert support here]]] can't farm". [/quote] Stupid people will be stupid. The only time a support should farm, is if your carry is going to shop. And that shouldn't be all that often.[/quote]

[quote=Trophycase][quote=Temzilla] [quote=Trophycase] Even cooler... it gave global gold per 10 [/quote] Now that would be silly. Because either everyone would buy it. It would be so much better than any other item choice as far as the early game goes that you would just rush it every game unless you had a team that was designed specifically to win within 25~ minutes (The amount of time i estimate it would take a support character to farm enough gold for a 3k item doesn't greatly help their ability to, you know... support and stuff.) [/quote] It wouldn't have to be substantial in terms of an aura. But I was just pointing out that it would be a cool effect. I understand it would be very difficult to balance because either everybody would get it or nobody would get it.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Supports need items to do their job well (therefore they need farm too)...no gold = no items = lack of ability to support. It's more important to keep your laning partner alive (and get them kills if possible), and without items most supports can't do that. I can get a philo stone and not farm on Soraka all I want, but without items Soraka can't heal very well which will actually force you and your laning partner to go back more often.[/quote]

[quote=TehGus]Wait, wait, wait, wait, upgrading GP/5 items into better GP/5 items? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Gosh.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Supports need items to do their job well (therefore they need farm too)...no gold = no items = lack of ability to support. It's more important to keep your laning partner alive (and get them kills if possible), and without items most supports can't do that. I can get a philo stone and not farm on Soraka all I want, but without items Soraka can't heal very well which will actually force you and your laning partner to go back more often. [/quote] Which is the main reason that Soraka is a bad support.[/quote]