Volibear Theorycrafting Thread

[quote=viper459]im kinda new to these forums, how do you post items with the picture and everything? anyway, this i how i build him, has worked well today. regrowth -> philosopher's boots + cloth armor/health crystal merc threads + kindlegem blasting wand + Aegis of the legion Guinsoo's + Spirit visage Hextech gunblade, shurelyas[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You should try on-hit-mogg's. It's basically every bit as good as atmogg's, but it's probs gonna be better for the bear than Atmogg's would be. Doesn't he have some skill that scales along with HP well? In my head I have something like this playing out... Boots of choice (I would take Merc or Tabi.) Phage~ Recurve bow Warmogg's Frozen Mallet Wit's end GA Madred's bloodrazor. I can see that resulting in a very serious bear if he has AS scaling and stuff.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse][quote=caucheka] [quote=Darcurse] if I read that correctly (still dont own the champ) youll get what? 290 base + 20% extra of your own HP + 1% for every 1% of enemy Health missing??? That doesnt seem quite right...? Maybe its sth like 1% for every 1% enemy HP with a 20% cap? [/quote] it has a nearly 20 sec cooldown for a reason. you read it correctly. [/quote] Youve got to be kiddin' me, right? Lets say youll attack an enemy with 50% HP missing, while having 3k yourself. ->Than its going like that: 290 base + 1% for every 1% missing enemy HP + 20% of your own max HP? (290+50%)+20% of 3k = 435 + 600 = 1035 raw dmg??? You serious? Ofc, its single-target, long CD and linked with a requirement, but that requirement is totally "non"-existent and you can force down that CD barely above 10 secs. Including your tankiness you'll easily launch 2 of them in every fight... Even AP Sion's jaw will rot and drop off... Not cool, sersly, not cool... Ok, lemme see.... Mana isnt that mandatory, so lets skip RoA then: -SV -Mercs/Sorcs -Rylai's -Sunfire -Abyssal -Nashor's (Still need AS/CDR; not necessarily in that order) As dmg build. I could switch Abyssal with a FoN for Health/reg and get an early HG to abuse early one-shots... if i get mself HG I could switch Sunfire for Zhonya's to maintain dmg (does his passive work while hes under its effect?)[/quote]

[quote=Searz]I'm gonna make an evaluation of what he needs and scales best with. His mana costs are low and his base mana-reg is high. So mana is certainly not needed. Durability is a given because he is melee. His passive and W scales VERY well with HP. That and the fact that he needs durability makes building HP a very good idea. His R and W scale well with AS. That combined with his need for durability makes [[wit's end]] a very good choice. His AP scaling is bordering on bad. It doesn't seem worthwhile to invest in AP. While none of his skills actually scale with AD, they still do because he has to autoattack to make use of them. His W also scales indirectly with AD because it gives AS.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeap, tanky on hit is my final analysis. AD should be fine but I do feel it's better just to go straight shot into those items I listed above simply for the sake of efficiency of item. Spirit Visage could be cool for the passive as well, I've never played the bear so I dunno :P[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]His R doesnt "scale" with AS, it gives and needs some, but since Frenzy cant be dropped below 10sec CD so you dont need AS asap. Moreover, early wihout much CDR it's negligible. Only Ult would benefit greatly, but first I'd secure that I can keep the enemy in range. Also his skills dont scale "bad" with AP, its just that there are only 2 who actually do + 1 of them is his ulti with 80 secs raw CD. But seeing his ult, you ache to have at least some AP on the side (200+). Its a matter of dmg output: less and steady -> skip AP more and spiking -> get some With max CDR you'll be abusing AP/AS with your Ult 1/4 of time anyway. Only prob i see there atm: Frenzy does physical dmg, so dunno about how much ArP effects your dmg output.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If E is 60% and ult is 30% Then yeah that's pretty badly :P And the nice thing about AS items is that there's good ones that will boost both damage and survivability so for the sake of item and gold efficiency I'm thinking onhitmogg's is gonna be pretty clear cut and dry tha best ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]E is AoE, so fairly ok, and you actually do know what Ult does? 155 base+ 0.3 AP on up to 5 targets. Actually scaling up to 1.5 if youre able to hit all of them. But dunno about its actual range, so before making some serious statement here I'll earn some Ip to test Fluffy first.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Either way, AS will scale that effectively also.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Nashor's *MUHAHAHAHAHAH* Tremble in fear, infidels. You WILL have to buy it soon enough!!! I'll get Stinger 1st and buy a Negatron before you guys can even think about completing Wit's!!! Thats 100g less, better in terms of MR and switches 42 on-hit magic dmg with 10% CDR .*MUAHAHA*[/quote]