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League of Legends (LoL) Question: ArP vs Flat AD runes (bruisers)

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  • ShortyHUN

    ArP vs Flat AD runes (bruisers)

    Well so many things changed lately, especially thinking about the rune changes now and i wonder which ones are better atm. ArP reds with early brutalizer seem to work wonders now.
  • Answers (2)

    PsiGuard (1495) | April 16, 2014 1:09pm
    I don't really see how the rune changes affected this decision at all. Armor seals were nerfed, yes, but all champions also received the difference as an addition to their base armor (-4 from 9 seals, +4 to base armor). The only difference would be if your opponent runs scaling armor instead of flat, but even then that just means armor pen marks don't scale as well in that situation and have to compete pre-6 where flat AD has an advantage.

    To (not) answer your question, it really depends on the champion. Some champions have ability effects that scale with AD, strong bonus AD scalings or abilities like Tempest which scale with AD but not armor pen. Other champions have high base damage or other forms of armor shred ( Dragon Strike, Crushing Blow) which have better synergy with armor penetration runes.

    Either way the difference between the two setups is so small that the better setup can vary between champions or even flip depending on the opponent's runes, masteries and items. It doesn't make a huge difference either way. Keep in mind that AD marks are better for pushing and last-hitting, and they usually give you the edge in trades before level 4.
    ShortyHUN (40) | April 18, 2014 12:00am
    ad quints or makrs are enough most of the time, when they arent you would need more than just +7 ad
    Embracing (353) | April 17, 2014 2:27am
    When people say it helps last hitting they don't only mean "it's easier to make up for a lack of mechanics." It means that you can last hit the minions under tower that need higher ad values for most efficient last-hitting and that you can shove lane much easier.
    PsiGuard (1495) | April 16, 2014 5:57pm
    It matters if you're last-hitting under tower.
    ShortyHUN (40) | April 16, 2014 2:58pm
    I'm usually last hitting with AA on AP mid champs and don't run AD runes/masteries on them, so that doesnt really matter, however i see less people with 9 armor seals lately. Item builds aren't as sustain focused as they used to be either.

    12 ArP for 8 AD seems a good trade, tho i still have my AD mark page around in case of a wild Lee Sin appears
    Janitsu (569) | April 16, 2014 10:43am
    Depends imo. If it is someone like Lee Sin I'd probably go flat AD but if it someone like Fiora I might mix them or go full ArPen
    utopus (313) | April 17, 2014 6:25am
    The reason Armor Pen isn't a must have rune, is because champions don't have a ton of bonus AD to make great use of the armor pen. Fiora still gets free AD from Riposte, so armor pen works better on her.

    The one thing that counters armor pen, is flat armor. Since flat armor is more out of favor now, it's possible that armor pen runes could see an upsurge
    Janitsu (569) | April 16, 2014 1:01pm
    I've been mixing them lately and they work well against the harder opponents and the tankier opponents. I am not too sure though if it is the most optimal way, I just like to use those runes :p
    GrandmasterD (531) | April 16, 2014 12:47pm
    Wat. Fiora scales terrible with Arp compared to Flat AD.
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