[NA] Inhouse Announcement

[quote=Maintained]Honestly, this argument is pointless and is getting neither of us anywhere. The final decision has been made. If you really do care about Inhouses I'll make sure to update you by PMing you. Let's place this conflict behind us and start fresh. I also need you to remember it's not solely based on the referee's opinions but what the community prefers. And that is why we're testing this.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Maintained]Honestly, this argument is pointless and is getting neither of us anywhere.[/quote] That's true if you're going to ignore the entire discussion at hand, but the cop out – absolutely fantastic film by the way; classic cinematic of its time – is quite cute. [quote=Maintained]The final decision has been made.[/quote] It was also the first decision, and I'm fine with that, but even if the decision isn't going to change, then why not bother to have an actual conversation about the subject? I haven't even read a real argument that supports this idea, other than the hunch that it might improve balancing despite the lack of evidence. Again, I have no problem with actually testing it, but it seems kind of pointless to me, also that wasn't in the original post; it just stated that this is what is going to happen, whether we like it or not. [quote=Maintained]If you really do care about Inhouses I'll make sure to update you by PMing you[/quote] No, we don't care, we actually took this time to post comments just to up the post count, accumulate more MOBAFire internet points, and to pretend we actually have a rollicking social life. Glorious scheme is it not? All clever – and not to mention brilliant and humorous – comments aside, I don't really see the need for a PM group; I'm pretty sure a [i]public[/i] inhouse thread will suffice. This way everyone in the community gets to chime in, and I thought that is kind of the point? [quote=Maintained]I also need you to remember it's not solely based on the referee's opinions but what the community prefers.[/quote] Oh look at that, it is! [quote=Maintained] Let's place this conflict behind us and start fresh.[/quote] There was never a conflict. You proposed, or stated, rather, a change that is supposed to completely eliminate the need for balancing the teams. However, you never actually listed any real evidence for thinking this, and there happens to be a bunch of people who do not expect this to work for reasons listed; that's called trying to start a discussion, not a conflict. [quote=Maintained]And that is why we're testing this.[/quote] The word “and” here makes no real sense; you're testing this because you want to start fresh? I'm not sure how I'm supposed to read that, however, that aside. Your original post never stated this was a test, and you still haven't given any one really compelling arguments that makes us think it is worth testing. Anyhow, I'll submit myself to the test, but know that I have strong doubts regarding this. P.S. I do not understand why you put multiple spaces between two words on several occasions. [img=http://i.imgur.com/S3ieDxq.gif][/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Calm down guys, it's just an idea I'd like to try out. I think it could be fun for some of the newer members who don't ever have control of their team comps. Just try it for a few games and switch up the captains (don't just make it the highest ranked players -- make it two silvers or two golds or something). If nobody likes it after a couple games, then don't do it anymore. Not a big deal. I really don't think like 3 games of a different picking style warrants such an argument. It's not like we made this executive decision to change all future inhouses without you Nameless, it's just an idea we're trying out. That's okay if you hate the idea, I just want to know if that's the case for everyone or just a few people.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=PsiGuard]Calm down guys, it's just an idea I'd like to try out. I think it could be fun for some of the newer members who don't ever have control of their team comps. Just try it for a few games and switch up the captains (don't just make it the highest ranked players -- make it two silvers or two golds or something). If nobody likes it after a couple games, then don't do it anymore. Not a big deal. I really don't think like 3 games of a different picking style warrants such an argument. It's not like we made this executive decision to change all future inhouses without you Nameless, it's just an idea we're trying out. That's okay if you hate the idea, I just want to know if that's the case for everyone or just a few people.[/quote] The problem is that no basis for this idea, no sound reasoning why this is actually a plausible solution, and thus far everyone, who was involved in concocting this plan, has failed to mention why we are actually giving up on the traditional balancing system. This kind of comes out of the blue without any real reason whatsoever and then we also get to hear that we cannot actually start a discussion regarding it. Is it me or is confusion the natural response here?[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=PsiGuard]It's not like we made this executive decision to change all future inhouses without you Nameless, it's just an idea we're trying out.[/quote]That wasn't what I was getting at. My opinion being "left out" was, and still is, not the point. It was just pretty bullshit to be told I should "take my title more seriously and actually be involved in discussions" when no one could be bothered to contact me about this or even mention they were discussing changing anything about the inhouses until now. It's not even like it got posted in the Referee box where at least the referees could, well, find out about it. [quote=GrandmasterD]The problem is that no basis for this idea, no sound reasoning why this is actually a plausible solution, and thus far everyone, who was involved in concocting this plan, has failed to mention why we are actually giving up on the traditional balancing system. This kind of comes out of the blue without any real reason whatsoever and then we also get to hear that we cannot actually start a discussion regarding it. Is it me or is confusion the natural response here?[/quote]plus this.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]I know that my opinion hardly matters as I never can play inhouses (impossible for me to play in the late weekend evenings 90% of the time) but I fully support GMD in everything they said here. There is no argument explaining why this proposal would be more beneficial nor is there any evidence to support the improvements (which are not specified AT ALL) this proposal will bring. Also, leaving out the "public" when discussing a major change for an event compromised of mostly "the public" might've not been the best idea. Lastly, I'm kind of irked that this discussion got cut in the middle since it was actually getting somewhere - nobody was being disrespectful or offensive, people were actually bringing up solid points that can and should be addressed before the change is even considered for testing...[/quote]

[quote=Maintained]I would like to apologize for the problems I have caused. I would especially like to apologize to Nameless. I hope we can put the past behind us and have a fresh start. After reading over what I had written, I realized how terrible my actions were and if there is anything I can do to make up for it, I am willing to do it.[/quote]

[quote=Emi][quote=Maintained]I would like to apologize for the problems I have caused. I would especially like to apologize to Nameless. I hope we can put the past behind us and have a fresh start.[/quote] I haven't read through this entire post, but I do know it takes guts to apologize and admit you're wrong :) +Rep'd[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Maintained]I would like to apologize for the problems I have caused. I would especially like to apologize to Nameless. I hope we can put the past behind us and have a fresh start. After reading over what I had written, I realized how terrible my actions were and if there is anything I can do to make up for it, I am willing to do it.[/quote] [img=http://i.imgur.com/11qZBaf.gif] [quote=Emikadon][quote=Maintained]I would like to apologize for the problems I have caused. I would especially like to apologize to Nameless. I hope we can put the past behind us and have a fresh start.[/quote] I haven't read through this entire post, but I do know it takes guts to apologize and admit you're wrong[/quote] [img=http://i.imgur.com/tPkbtcU.gif][/quote]

[quote=Emi]I'm not sure what your problem is... He took the first step and apologized for insulting Nameless, so I'm not quite certain why you're "laughing". If this is how people generally react to apologies, it's no honestly wonder why so few people actually take the initiative to do so.[/quote]