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[quote=PsiGuard]This is getting pretty out of hand guys. If you can't make an argument without resorting to "well you're a lower rank than me," you haven't made an argument at all. If you guys disagree on something it's also not an excuse to start insulting the other party. That includes BigBox and everyone else in this argument.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Well the argument "you're not dealing enough damage" has got to be the least helpful argument in the fucking world. Like come on, you either figure out why he wasn't dealing enough damage and how to resolve that issue or you shut up, You don't just tell him to deal more, (And Xerath is a shitty comparison I mean really)[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=PsiGuard]This is getting pretty out of hand guys. If you can't make an argument without resorting to "well you're a lower rank than me," you haven't made an argument at all. If you guys disagree on something it's also not an excuse to start insulting the other party. That includes BigBox and everyone else in this argument.[/quote] From what I see, BBG is the one calling out the ranks most often. He's toxic in inhouses and he's toxic here. No reason to be unbiased towards him at this point.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=XeresAce]He was trying to do damage but he didn't /do/ damage nor did he itemize the most effectively. Everyone is trying to point this out to him so he can improve and climb but he keeps blaming his team and pointing out their mistakes while refusing to accept his own. Say what you will but he's 100% wrong in this situation...[/quote] I'd say more like 80% tops.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Well the argument "you're not dealing enough damage" has got to be the least helpful argument in the fucking world. Like come on, you either figure out why he wasn't dealing enough damage and how to resolve that issue or you shut up, You don't just tell him to deal more, (And Xerath is a shitty comparison I mean really)[/quote] WE ALREADY TOLD HIM TO BUILD LAST WHISPER The reason why trundle dealt 20k more damage than a 23 kill adc is PROBABLY because of that thorn-mail... Actually, /three/ of their champions had a thornmail, two of which had additional armour items and I'm willing to bet all of them had armor runes of some sort, totaling around 180-200 armor yet he keeps insisting on scimitar because nasus had a slow... real You give someone advice backed up by countless facts and years of experience and they deny it because nasus has a slow G fing G I'm out[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=XeresAce]He was trying to do damage but he didn't /do/ damage nor did he itemize the most effectively. Everyone is trying to point this out to him so he can improve and climb but he keeps blaming his team and pointing out their mistakes while refusing to accept his own. Say what you will but he's 100% wrong in this situation...[/quote]this /endthread[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]/end argument[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Well the argument "you're not dealing enough damage" has got to be the least helpful argument in the fucking world. Like come on, you either figure out why he wasn't dealing enough damage and how to resolve that issue or you shut up, You don't just tell him to deal more, (And Xerath is a shitty comparison I mean really)[/quote] He can start by building [[last whisper]], pretty sure everyone has said that, so that means nobody has to shut up. Considering he basically stopped listening to us at that point we can't really go any further than that. Have you helped him? Have you contributed to helping him? No? That's what I thought. You failed your own test, so why are you talking? Who are you to call us pretentious and then have the moral high ground to tell us what to do? Calm your tits. Slows aren't considered hard CC. [[Mercurial scimitar]] won't save you from their CC anyway (especially since [[talon]] can 1-shot you and you can't kill [[trundle]] and [[nasus]] by yourself anyway) and judging by how you didn't die that much in the first place, you definitely could have replaced it for [[last whisper]] to kill things faster. I mean, c'mon, your team has 3 priority targets for [[wither]] and considering THEY died, but YOU didn't clearly shows that you just weren't being focused that much. The lack of damage also shows that you probably ran away from fights rather than engaged properly (though granted, you don't really have a good team for full-on teamfights compared to the opposing team). You are right that your teammates are bad, but you aren't much better and there are glaring errors for you to work on. I mean, come on, the enemy team basically didn't have an ADC.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Can we just get a grip on ourselves here. The only argument I've seen is Embracing complaining the guy playing ADC wasn't trying to deal any damage and it was so FUCKING PRETENTIOUS I nearly threw my IPad out the window. Like I have a lvl 7 smurf and people try to deal damage at that level. You think he wasn't trying to kill people? You think he wasn't trying to autoattack and use his abilities on the enemies? You think he was clearing the jungle instead in teamfights or something? Like, both of you stop being so arrogant for once.[/quote] ????? LOL that made zero sense. No one's fucking criticizing him for being an idiot or some shit. He wants to make a thread about improvement? Others comment on points of improvement. Sure the game may not be his fault - he can't change his teammates going 0/15. However, there certainly is a shitton of things that went wrong that was his fault - his overall damage output for example. You clearly don't understand what a "lack of damage output" means do you. Even pre30s know how to want to do damage. That's not what the statistic means. Having a severe lack of damage output in a game where you're fucking fed as shit means that something went wrong with the damage output in that game, either coming from not enough harass in lane, not enough damage in teamfights (AKA playing too safe and NOT all that random bullshit you mentioned), or not enough trading damage / skirmish damage. Maybe you should learn how that game mechanic works and what's happening in the thread before hopping in the thread in attempt to "white knight" your friend. [quote]Well the argument "you're not dealing enough damage" has got to be the least helpful argument in the fucking world. Like come on, you either figure out why he wasn't dealing enough damage and how to resolve that issue or you shut up, You don't just tell him to deal more, (And Xerath is a shitty comparison I mean really) [/quote] And why can't I simply point out the issue and convince him to realize that? I'm not a friend to the guy. I'm a random stranger who's decided to help him realize his problems (attempt to, at least). I'm not a coach for the site. I'm not in any way obligated to fucking help the guy to the most, so I certainly have no reason to shut up lol. That goes for everyone else on this site. The community functions because people contribute to it voluntarily. If your friend make a thread like this, he's asking for attention - positive or negative. If he or you don't want to take it, then don't make threads like this or bother getting involved.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Well excuse ME for not having Plat-Diamond knowledge of how to play ADC, like...well IDK I'm pretty sure it's just you. As for your argument, considering the mechanics of EVERYONE involved I'd say his biggest mistake was not buying a [[Last Whisper]], not that anyone in this community, especially you, can actually say that in one post. (And I call that a build issue not a damage issue anyway) I mean if I had the ability to play ADC to your potential I would have probably won that game, but then again I'd also be Diamond as well and that isn't going to fucking happen. EDIT: I'm not even sure if you pointed out the issue here, but for some people solving problems is HARD.[/quote]