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[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Lulu]] is a bit of an intermediary there imo. Her damage isn't as high as, say, [[Karma]]'s, but it's higher than the damage of the other champions you listed her with by a fair margin. Also, [[Nami]] is far worse off than [[janna]] atm. She doesn't have the level of purely disruptive disengage that [[Janna]] does in a team fight and everything about her is pretty lackluster late game as far as damage goes. She, imo, essentially feels like a worse version of [[Janna]] late game, while being more oppressive during the laning phase. She's probably MORE team reliant and even harder to carry with because her team fight CC is not really comparable to [[Monsoon]] as far as completely decimating an enemy team's positioning, instead she has a knock-up/slow combo and an AoE stun (which simply does not have the same effect). This is not to say I don't like [[Nami]] (I do), I just don't think she's any better off than [[Janna]] is as far as being team reliant goes.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]^ Yeah, lulu has alright damage if you build some ap on her (Say nomnicon) but when I play her I usually need to devote 100% to peeling which means only utility items and wards xD[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=XeresAce]I don't get how janna is more team reliant than support lulu, nami, braum, leona etc... They're all cc/ward bots with relatively low damage and tankyness lest they build for it specifically, which kinda defeats the purpose of supporting. I understand zyra, annie, karma, vel' koz and even Nautilus being less team reliant because they are an actual damage threat to the enemy team, but the others? nah[/quote] Janna relies a lot more on her ADC in lane to make plays, and has virtually 0 engage whereas others do have potential to set up stuff themselves.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=Vynertje][quote=XeresAce]I don't get how janna is more team reliant than support lulu, nami, braum, leona etc... They're all cc/ward bots with relatively low damage and tankyness lest they build for it specifically, which kinda defeats the purpose of supporting. I understand zyra, annie, karma, vel' koz and even Nautilus being less team reliant because they are an actual damage threat to the enemy team, but the others? nah[/quote] Janna relies a lot more on her ADC in lane to make plays, and has virtually 0 engage whereas others do have potential to set up stuff themselves.[/quote] From what I've experienced, you make plays with [[janna]] by forcing a passive lane and capitalizing on enemy mistakes since if you just chill they eventually fall into the trap that they [i]have[/i] to make a play no matter how inappropriate the timing is :P Also, flash + ult is a pretty good way to get someone out of position so technically [[janna]] can somewhat engage xD[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=XeresAce][quote=Vynertje][quote=XeresAce]I don't get how janna is more team reliant than support lulu, nami, braum, leona etc... They're all cc/ward bots with relatively low damage and tankyness lest they build for it specifically, which kinda defeats the purpose of supporting. I understand zyra, annie, karma, vel' koz and even Nautilus being less team reliant because they are an actual damage threat to the enemy team, but the others? nah[/quote] Janna relies a lot more on her ADC in lane to make plays, and has virtually 0 engage whereas others do have potential to set up stuff themselves.[/quote] From what I've experienced, you make plays with [[janna]] by forcing a passive lane and capitalizing on enemy mistakes since if you just chill they eventually fall into the trap that they [i]have[/i] to make a play no matter how inappropriate the timing is :P Also, flash + ult is a pretty good way to get someone out of position so technically [[janna]] can somewhat engage xD[/quote] Flash ults on janna are about the stupidest thing you can do in 99% of the situations as an engage tool lol. I know its a joke but generally it's only good as a reactive play rather than pro-active. With regards to Janna's playstyle, you can play her VERY aggressively but you need your ADC to initiate trades while you cannot do that yourself because you need the shield on your ADC. Constantly forcing those quick trades is super effective but requires your ADC to work along. That's why she's more team reliant.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]The enemy team's names would be cool if they were actually playing the right positions. :| [img=http://i.imgur.com/l2MnTmE.jpg width=900][/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][img=http://oi60.tinypic.com/1zlf9qr.jpg] When Keanu is down 1-5 in his placements and he calls for help[/quote]

[quote=Maintained]Keanu gonna end up in Pulse's division at this rate l0l[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust][img]http://i.imgur.com/Hxx5fnv.png[/img] Dayum, I am still this great in playing [[Ahri]]. ^-^[/quote]

[quote=Blian]Seriously I don't know what to say. Actually I did get drafted with better players when I was in B5 than now in B2.. [img=http://kepfeltoltes.hu/150506/gzjk_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png][/quote]