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[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Using drugs is a conscious decision, yes. Being an addict is not really a conscious decision outside of the using the drugs part. I have a half serious question though: does this mean being against paying for health care for chronic smokers? They got themselves into that situation in the same way a junky does, it just happens to be legal to slowly kill yourself with cigarettes.[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]Taking away healthcare from people with clear health issues (addictions are health issues) would be a massive derp. Saying that people will become addicts because they have the safety of healthcare backing them up is plainly stupid. The problem has other causes and negating healthcare would only make matters worse.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Using drugs is a conscious decision, yes. Being an addict is not really a conscious decision outside of the using the drugs part. [/quote] It is indeed [b]mostly[/b] a conscious decision, however for a lot of people who become addicted to either drugs or alcohol there are underlying psychological problems going on having an effect on this. Therefore I personally wouldn't want to make them pay for healthcare, as long as they undergo treatment. [quote=Ekki]Taking away healthcare from people with clear health issues (addictions are health issues) would be a massive derp. Saying that people will become addicts because they have the safety of healthcare backing them up is plainly stupid. The problem has other causes and negating healthcare would only make matters worse.[/quote] Totally agreed.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]The question about not paying for healthcare was not entirely serious, as stated when asked, I don't actually think people don't deserve healthcare they need. I just think it's comparable, yet one is socially acceptable so it's ignored.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]the problem with american politics is that it's literally like a game to those involved. People are trying to utilize what resources they can to negotiate with other people and ultimately aiming climb up the ladder. This ultimately just comes from having a democracy where a majority of idiots will always outvote the minority of well-educated and opinionated people where politicians then present ideas and concepts that the majorities will buy with their only consideration being their own personal benefits. Although watching shows and trying to analyze the intentions of politicians is quite fun to do, I'm not going to claim that certain ways are wrong and right with my limited knowledge of economics and societal studies. just my 2c[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Embracing]Although watching shows and trying to analyze the intentions of politicians is quite fun to do, I'm not going to claim that certain ways are wrong and right with my limited knowledge of economics and societal studies. [/quote] I actually greatly respect people who know when to step back when they know they have limited knowledge of something. Lots of people should take example in that (including myself lmao).[/quote]

[quote=Teemoshy][quote=Vynertje] That's not the way it works. If you're illegal, you're not qualified for citizenship which also means you don't get tax payers benefits in pretty much the whole world. It is impossible to vote if you're not a legal citizen in the country.[/quote] In California, driver's licenses are being issued to anyone including illegal immigrants. Also, they don't check for proof of residence at places of voting, which wouldn't matter because they have driver's licenses now. Finally, a bill is either being voted on or was voted in making it so that you get registered to vote when you renew or initially get your license unless you opt out so yes illegals get to vote. California essentially doesn't recognize a difference between illegal and legal immigration and has declared itself a "sanctuary state" ignoring immigration laws. And 93% of the state congress is representing the lower half of the state so yay for representation. To Nameless, I'm sorry if my information is incorrect. I am not pro-abortion but it is legal so I can be annoyed but that's about it. I'll leave that alone. Being a druggy though is a series of conscious decisions unless someone spikes you or you become addicted to a prescribed medicine like oxy. My thought is that if you were to drug test for food stamps it would help that issue. Maybe vote in a rehab program to help these people but if you lessen the ways to send your money to illicit activities it becomes harder to do those things.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I'm of the general opinion that politicians who, largely, cannot carry a child to term should stop trying to regulate what I can and cannot do with my uterus. Pro-abortion and pro-choice are also two different things, I can't think of anyone who's seriously suggesting abortions should be performed more often or forcibly. They simply believe they have no right to force a woman to make a choice she doesn't want for herself. Pro-life groups want to give women less body autonomy than a corpse has. You can't use a dead person's organs, [b][i]even to save the life of another person[/i][/b], without their consent when they were still living, so how is it suddenly reasonable to do that to an unwilling, living person?[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i dont see why people should be drug tested for food stamps, last i checked getting weed from your dealer costs money not food stamps and Teemoshy yes some people do abuse the system but that will always happen with systems but a majority of the people on welfare and disability arnt abusing the system so why screw over the people that actually need it because a small number of people abuse it? also theres nothing wrong with California being a sanctuary state those have been happening all over the world for thousands of years, most illegal immigrants are getting out of Mexico because its a shit country to live in and they would die if they stayed there, however they should be treated as refugees not "illegal immigrants" and should be given rights refugees get in other countries instead of rights american citizens get[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=DillButt64]i dont see why people should be drug tested for food stamps, last i checked getting weed from your dealer costs money not food stamps[/quote]They already tried drug testing people who were on food stamps in Arizona and it proved nothing.[/quote]