Lulu Build Guide : 🦋 How to be annoying | 2 mil points | S14

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Oh my god, Lulu is so cute. She's totes my waifu xD.

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Hello!

I see you have Lulu JG content in your Guide; that's already interesting for me. I Main Lulu JG OTP, you know that; well, maybe you don't, that's fine too.
Unfortunately, I'm not playing LoL for several months now --I'm waiting for Pre-Season 2024.

I've read you're still researching on the case of Lulu JG Enchanter/Buff Build; yet, I can't even tell you right now how good or bad it might be. But at least, theoretically, after Patch 13.20 (with the massive Nerfs to most Damaging Keystones), I would expect such changes to have highly positive impact to Lulu playstyles... however, many recent statistics I've checked from Lolalytics (which, for Lulu JG are often a joke for some reason) are showing pretty horrible results even or especially with Enchanter Builds.
https://lolalytics.com/lol/lulu/build/?lane=jungle&tier=all
So, I don't really know what's happening in the games. Few Patches ago, I guess especially before that mentioned Patch 13.20, Lulu JG on Enchanter/Buff Build was certainly being relatively good or at least effective; it just worked, if played properly on a good Composition. And even more time ago, right before Lulu's Nerfs, such Builds were being simply overwhelming. I knows, because I was playing LoL that time.
But how is the Jungle for Lulu right now? Also, Lulu's Win Rates on other Roles, including SUP, are even worse than ever recently! What is going on? Lulu was supposed to become stronger by this time...

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Hey Linux!

Yup, Ive seen your clips and explanations floating around lulumains reddit a while back. I did visit over to your guide page to test a couple of interesting builds and see what works 👍

Now I havent been queing up specifically for Jungle if Im playing alone, so my experience comes mostly from fills, and playing in a group of 4-5 (usually averaging a plat lobby).

So from my own games, going full AD is kind of 50 - 50 (unless in a <=gold lobby average), there are very rare moments where you can duel someone in the early game, and you dont scale to late as hard as the other scaling junglers. Scuttle fights I either gotta get the side the enemy jungler isnt on, or get a laner to help out with the duel. She has to get 1-2 kills via overextended laners to give her some sort of impact and win 1v1s.

Ive found that going Noonquiver - Enchanter items and just funneling a scaling laner (especially in a 4-5 man team) is the most reliable option, but the recent buff to jungle camps making them tankier for non-smite users is kind of annoying. This makes it so that I end up pocketing said carry throughout the entire game. It's boring but gives the most chance at impacting the game.

And AP is horrible imo, costs wayy to much mana with zero clear. Maybe i havent found a good build for that too..

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Hey Linux!

Yup, Ive seen your clips and explanations floating around lulumains reddit a while back. I did visit over to your guide page to test a couple of interesting builds and see what works 👍

Now I havent been queing up specifically for Jungle if Im playing alone, so my experience comes mostly from fills, and playing in a group of 4-5 (usually averaging a plat lobby).

So from my own games, going full AD is kind of 50 - 50 (unless in a <=gold lobby average), there are very rare moments where you can duel someone in the early game, and you dont scale to late as hard as the other scaling junglers. Scuttle fights I either gotta get the side the enemy jungler isnt on, or get a laner to help out with the duel. She has to get 1-2 kills via overextended laners to give her some sort of impact and win 1v1s.

Ive found that going Noonquiver - Enchanter items and just funneling a scaling laner (especially in a 4-5 man team) is the most reliable option, but the recent buff to jungle camps making them tankier for non-smite users is kind of annoying. This makes it so that I end up pocketing said carry throughout the entire game. It's boring but gives the most chance at impacting the game.

And AP is horrible imo, costs wayy to much mana with zero clear. Maybe i havent found a good build for that too..

Thanks for the detaialed reply!

Interesting... so, apparenlty, some Lulu JG AD Builds at least seems to be back to viability. 50%/50% is like... huge already! This is good stats; I think 2024 could be funnier than I thought.

Lulu JG Duel are often very complicated (even more after Lulu Pix's Nerfs), so don't worry about that: it's normal to try to avoid direct Encounters with the enemy Jungler already from Early Game. In order to Duel, usually, Lulu JG needs to have great positioning and surprise effect, often the idea being to trying to buy time and lure the Enemy Jungler in some advantageous 2x1 slice of time, right before the Enemy Laner can arrive.
Lulu JG though is absurdly strong between Level 1-3, so it is possible to Solo most Junglers in wild Invasions at that moment: they often be low life, fighting off the chickens for instance --while Lulu with Shield might have much better Sustain at that situation. Otherwise, if Lulu JG is not Spiked with some aggressive Itemizations, the only way to Win Duels is to be able to fight in multiple rounds; occasionally this happens and can be positive to Lulu JG. Since it's an actual good strategy of Junglers in general to avoid direct Encounters/Duels overall, in a great deal because of the Pets Farm Meta I guess, this doesn't become a terrible hindrance for Lulu JG on every single game, it can be played as an advantage even. Except for Scouting (and 'Jungle Pressure' naturally). There are games and Matchups that Lulu JG needs to look actively for the Enemy Jungler; not necessarily for Duels; just Scouting. So, overall your approach seems good. I haven't played the new Scuttle Meta though.

The funneling strategy is actually a Victory Condition for Lulu JG in my opinion, because with a Fed up Carry (or Hyper-Carry) already from Early/Mid Game, depending on the situation, Splith Push, Skirmishes or Team Fight with Lulu becomes luducriously easier. Often I would insist in redistributing the advantages to at least another Lane, but sometimes, it must be the way you describe; so a good point. I should write down more more details about the funneling strategy in my Guide when I come back.

Oh, I see. AP seems to be bad once again? This is also pretty relevant information.
It didn't last too long then. Lulu JG AP was seldom incredible anyways. It was really powerful with Dark Harvest right before that Patch 13.20 of the Keystones Nerfs. I was just spamming that kind of Build right before I left. Since all those Damaging Keystones were overwhelming for a very long time, and they Buffed Lulu AP recently, Lulu AP was just exploding targets like oldschool Lulu AP Laner (MID/TOP) conditions I guess, and the Mythic Passives helped of course... as all this helps all Mages and Assassins anyways; but then they accidentally made Lulu powerful too (AP-wise). I actually prefer the Keysones Nerfs (seems like "Balance" to me)... and, even more Balancing, the future elimination of Mythic Passives, along with Mythic Items. Yeah.
Maybe, there might still be a niche for Lulu JG AP Builds; but I'll have to wait. By the way, the only reliable condition to make Lulu JG AP, for a very long time, was when there's just too much AD on the Allied Team and splitting Damage might be more interesting.

Cya!

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Thanks! It really helps me understand how to play her

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Amazing guide!

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Hello! Very well-made guide my friend!

Honestly, I don't think is really good on Lulu, as the rune scales with health, and Lulu builds close to none.

Still, love the theme of the guide! Keep it up!

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Thanks for the comment!

Tldr: I love using for early plates to get item spikes quicker. is the default choice but I personally dont feel the value of using it.

From my experience it usually boils down to or . What ends up happening in my games is that I would get a kill by level 2/3 and use the demolish proc to get a plate just in time to get tier 2 boots and get back when their wave crashes into us.

In the case that I couldnt find an early lead, I often build (and on specific games ) when antiheal/mikaels isnt needed. Sure it isnt as strong as proper tanks using it, but it looks like the better option as Lulu doesnt have much built in healing to make feel impactful.

Also I've had many games where the ticking down of just baits the enemy to engage, even when my adc is much more ahead. You can play mind games under their turret, baiting important abilities out and just getting a free proc (and sometimes even a kill!).

can win the majority of trades and can easily manage to push the wave into the enemy tower. It is great fun!

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Hey there Idleangelo,
You asked for a guide review in this thread. So here it is.

click for review

How does this review work:

I'll be going into four 'main' topics: Cheatsheet, Content, Presentation and What can be Improved?. All of these topics alone can turn a great guide into an even better one. Just knowing the ins and outs of your champion alone won't be enough if you're not able to properly convey said information. The end goal is always to make it easier for the readers that come to your guide of course.

I'll specify these main categories with purple text within this review, as well as some subcategories which will mostly depend on your guide chapters and for that I'll use the following rating system:

rating system

Cheatsheet

>Runes: Adequate

I'll leave this decision up to you as it's still your guide. However, personally I do not think it's worth it to have the experimental builds for other lanes shown. has primarily always been a support and looking at her winrates in other lanes, statistics show that the only really relevant lane is midlane, but even there she gets pretty outclassed by even the most basic midlaners. Unless you're really experienced with her and have very good game knowledge, I really doubt using her in any other lane is worth it.

Going back to the actual Support pages, they're really good and higlights her strengths, but the notes for the rune pages are horrible (for a lack of a better word). When it comes to the cheatsheet, what you see before the actual guide itself, it mostly serves as a way for readers to gain quick information in a short time (say if they're about to play a game with the champion). Telling people that more information is shown below isn't good as most people simply won't scroll through the guide to find what they need, they want it fast, and if the game goes well afterwards they might come back to the guide and read the rest of it.

Mostly mentioning this as some notes are incredibly short and others don't have notes at all. You currently have 3 rune pages that makes use of the keystone (1 meta, 1 for locket & 1 for moonstone). It'd help a lot here to explain when and why you're actually going these rune pages. Why should the reader choose the meta page, and when does it make more sense (or against what team comp) would the other 2 pages make sense? You explain this better in your page with the heavy lane pressure but again, it's incredibly brief and short.

Mentions that can be changed in the Squishies page for , but is shown.

>Summoner Spells: Adequate

I think you can change up your titles for & a bit. Either having it say "Take most of the time" or "Most optimal" would be better for Ignite, as for Exhaust it's better to just title it "VS 2+ Burst champs" instead.

Again with the notes feeling too short, bit of lost potential here.

You mention that you take most of the times due to having good pressure early, yet you also mention that is one of the most common spells/situation to be in. In this case, which one is the better choice? Which one is more popular? I believe it makes more sense to have the spells most used/most popular shown first, then the secondary options.

>Items: Exquisite

Note: Again with notes being pretty short here.

>Ability Order: Adequate

1 out of 3 of the skill sequence have notes explaining the purpose of the order. Your first one is vs Poke and it's clear why E max for the ally shields is good for that, feel like this could be explained more. Your 2nd order does a much better job with the notes. Last one only mentions that it's good with (and I'd assume specifically only that keystone), yet nothing explaining why it's a good order, what it accomplishes or why it's a good combination with said keystone.

>Threats & Synergies: Decent

The "Ideal" section feels entirely worthless. It only shows 6 ideal ADCs for (even though there are definitely way more ADCs than that albeit the champion pool for the role is one of the fewest), yet explains nothing that justifies why these are ideal synergies. Yes they're hypercarries but every ADC can be a hypercarry if played well. The point of synergies is more or less how good synergy they have with you specifically. Some ADCs much rather prefer Tank supports over e.g. Enchanters, others prefer Poke mages over anything else and so forth.

Note: If you have time you can always make your threats a bit more in-depth, but I do feel like they're pretty fine as is.

Content

>About Me: Exquisite

>Summoner Spells: Adequate

I was thinking your code could be formatted a tiny bit better due to the short amount of text, it feels way better to have it centered than anything else. I also changed the places of your & to make it look more consistent with your cheatsheet (where Exhaust is before Heal). I was thinking of something like this:

new version

code if you want it

>Runes: Adequate

and is talked about extensively, yet no mention (or a single description after the 2 keystones) talking about . Surely the keystone is relevant enough to be talked about or else I am a bit confused why it's shown at all.

You should put a center tag inbetween your green, purple and blue dividers, it'll look much better to have them be centered then to have an odd blank space at the far right that just looks meh and out of place.

Note: I like the way you show which minor runes are good and which ones aren't.

>Items: Adequate

Here I like a lot more that you do talk about the items that are used for the build e.g. , it makes the build feel validated (even though I still don't think it's very viable at all and statistics don't support that idea either).

You also talk about in your cheatsheet, but it's not shown or explained at all here I noticed. Neither is or (a very relevant item as it's your literal support item).

I think you should include a section before the Mythics that briefly talks about the different starting items, as I don't see that being mentioned anywhere. You talk about them in your cheatsheet and where they are used yet I don't see them being talked about at all here. When is more worthwhile and when does it make more sense to go ? There's also not really a concrete situation said when you should go + other than feeling confident. It can be pretty hard to dictate how well a lane would go regardless of how confident you might be, especially when botlane is a 2v2 and the lane is entirely dependant on which of the 2 players play it better.

>Ability Tips and Tricks: Exquisite

>Combos: Exquisite

>Loading Screen: Adequate

Here you talk about which support item to choose and when you should choose between the 2 out of 3 options. But my question is: Why is this talked about here only? Why not explain these support item choices in the section about the items themselves?

You also mention here again about mostly playing with hypercarries. Again, any ADC or APC can be considered a hypercarry and can be played as such, it's not specific to anyone of the role.

>Early Game: Exquisite

>Mid-Late Game: Exquisite

>Support Matchups: Exquisite

Note: If anything you could choose to make another section detailing the different ADC matchups. Botlane is a 2v2 lane after all and when you're playing the lane you're not only playing against the enemy support.

>Changelog and To Do: Exquisite

>Special Thanks: Exquisite

Presentation

> Execution: Decent

If there's one thing I'd say about your guide that I feel like you can improve on, it'll definitely be this. Some of your chapters already have some very neat and great code, that can always be improved on with time. I know very well as an author myself that making use of BBCode can be a very tedious task in of itself to make use of or just to be able to get familiar with in general, but when it comes to presentation, making use of code is the best way to elevate a guide and make it feel more alive after all.

Here are a few coding guides that we already have on the site that could help you if you'd be willing to dedicate some of your time to learning it (or if you just want some quick templates to make your guide look a bit more tidy):

- Making A Guide (has lots of free to use templates)
- BBCode Guide (the actual bbcode guide if you'd want to know how different codes work)
- A Table Coding Guide (talks about the bbcode that is called tables)
- Responsive Columns (talks about responsive columns; mainly for mobile side coding)

>Theme of guide (color scheme): Will need a lot of work

I feel like having a bit of a color theme would go a long way for any guide. This will be especially clear if you were to incorporate some BBCode for your sections. When I say the word 'color theme' I mean using colors that best represents the champion & guide you're trying to make. For example, you're currently using the "Wicked" skin, which means that a good color theme to have could be e.g. anything using a darker purple, red or darker blue to fit with the skin. If you were to not use a skin at all then naturally, some purple and green (primary due to nature in her classic skin) would be a good combination and so forth.

What can be Improved?

Making guides more extensive takes a very long time and a lot of dedication, but if you want to spend more time making your guide more informative, what you've already explained is more than just a good start, you can also include other topics such as:

- Knowing how to effectively roam without it negatively impacting you or your team (e.g. your ADC)
- How to properly make use of wards to gain vision (You're playing the most Vision appealing role after all)
- How to transfer your lead (if your ADC gets one) into a potential win
- How to play the game if you do end up falling behind
- How to play the game if you're ahead (pretty heavily dependant on where your ADC chooses to be, most likely in the midlane once tier 1 towers fall)

These topics can all be useful topics to explain, and of course there can be multiple more that you can talk about when it comes to support as a role, but I feel like these are some of the more important ones you could talk about right now.

Your matchup section is already detailed enough for Supports, yet ADCs seem to have been left in the void. When playing Botlane, taking into account the opposing ADC along with the Support is mandatory to be able to know how you'll decide to play the lane. A Support that you explains is pretty easy to face could be brutally difficult for others to face purely depending on which kind of ADC is paired with that specific Support.

Overall Thoughts

You have a very solid guide here Idleangelo and I believe it has lots of room for improvement and lots more potential. I hope this review is able to help you and I wish you good luck in however you deem to use it to improve your guide. :)

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thanks for the review! I'll tackle all the points you made one by one during the following weeks :D

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Ohh YESSSSSS

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ho appena comprato lulu perchè è sempre stato un campione che volevo provare e con questa guida penso che farà anche abbastanza la differenza nelle partite

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Hey Idleangelo,
Your guide is a piece of art! You can see you put a lot of effort into this guide and it has everything you'd need easy to find. I definitely enjoy your perspective and the display of confidence on the champion. Keep the updates coming and good luck on the rest of your climb!

See you on the rift,
Dotje

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Thanks for the kind words! omg I love your guides, I remember back when I first started playing I would just refer to yours and a few others just because there wasn't enough coverage on youtube xD

It really helped me improve a lot on enchanters! I really should be thanking you instead :D

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Very good

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Glad you liked it!

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Hello IDLEANGELO! You big cutie you. I was notified that I had received a request! I can definitely be of assistance, everyone has to have a desire to battle the competition with guides to do better with the content that they can provide. I'll try my best to help with what little you have.

Alright so. I am not a big fan of using the Multi-Champion selection for different builds. If you want to talk about items while doing multiple builds, you would want to showcase Guardian builds and Aery build as item sets with item builds inside. You can do so much better of a job without 2 Lulu sections.

EXAMPLE

You see a nice huge improvement, having to click through so many prompts to get to literally the same page multiple times, can be cut in 75% of the content and condensed into a nice presentable display. This is a cheat-sheet section, not a dictionary. Keep that in mind, people want easy to access information, now, not clutter.

I can agree with the whole wanting to use multiple different runes, as sub-runes for each set. But try to stick with the basic standard and leave some notes to alternatives you have a dedicated section already.

You have champion match-ups nice and simple information here, which is wonderful to have.

So when it comes to guides, you want to keep it basic and on-point. The Jin Studios video, as talented and great are his Teemo videos has no real reason for being here on this guide. It doesn't give a reader anything but a distraction. So try to only use videos that are actually beneficial to the content you are providing.

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Could definitely use some work. You do try to use some code like columns and what not, but fall short due to improper use of spacing / sizes. Guardian & Aery section to be more precise. You would also be better off adding in a nextcol width=15 in between text and icons, just to make it look cleaner and not too squished.

Scrolling down to your rune descriptions and alter-runes, is a place I would expect to see all of the runes you had in the cheatsheet above, currently. But alas, you have left an open center in the middle on Secondary Runes Domination. Definitely go back and close it, as it isn't consistent with the rest of the content.

You have an open center code here

It is also weird to see each rune bigger / smaller, there isn't anything special about sub-runes to warrant making them different sizes, unless you're trying to make them the focus over the rest? Either way, I think simply keeping them all the same size for consistency's sake. This section will be nice and tidy then.

Scrolling down to you're Ability Tips and Tricks we see something to be desired here. That Jin Studio video was the only video on your guide, and it was rather irrelevant. So why don't you add in some visual content that is showcasing the champion using their abilities? Typing about a skill is one thing, but showcasing it is another.

Despite that, it's all nice looking besides Pix, since everything else is being pushed out. I would suggest dropping the column in between the others talking about the abilities damage and costs and simply remove it, as one can just hover over the icons provided for the details of the skill. Which I show in the spoiler below.

Example

Moving along to your item section, it's kind of a clustered mess. I would definitely advise you put a space in between each item so it doesn't all get squished together, give some room for your reader to breath. It's overwhelming and can sometimes cause people to get lost.

Example

The last thing I would like to mention is all of the bullet points you have that are being pushed out from the left, doesn't really need to be there, it's taking up a lot of blank space while other text just goes normally, while being in all bold. What you're trying to talk about here would be better in a spoiler text explaining neatly.

W max or just E max

Just like the next section, with the spoilers. You can name them by adding =TEXT NAME after [spoiler this ultimately frees up space allowing you to remove "BlueSide" and "RedSide" text. Which again is neat.

You have the basis of a basic guide down, but it's very inconsistent, and messy as it is currently, while lacking visuals and detail. I would suggest you get right of the bullet points, as I find them to be a distraction.

It also makes coding them in to match other text difficult sometimes. Especially with having to use columns.

Either way, long story short. You can abuse spoilers, and fix some code here and there which will tidy up your guide. You can take a look at other users guides to get a feel for what I mean by that.

~Cat

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Thanks for the really fast and well detailed feedback! Ill definitely try to fix everything you mentioned as soon as I get more free time. Again, really appreciate the help :D

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I'm not the Yordle Scout for nothing. Hehehaha!
SWIFTLY!

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I have changed everything you mentioned in your review and im just about done except with this this line

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The last thing I would like to mention is all of the bullet points you have that are being pushed out from the left, doesn't really need to be there, it's taking up a lot of blank space while other text just goes normally, while being in all bold. What you're trying to talk about here would be better in a spoiler text explaining neatly.

Could you (whenever youre free) have a look at the Early Game and Midgame warding section to see if what i did was what you meant?
Thanks a lot!

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You don't have to put all the items into into groups, but it's fine this way aswell.
Explains more without having to go too deep into notes. Quick and simple.

I would definitely get around to fixing the Guard rune being pushed down in Guardian vs Aery, eventually.

Nice to see some video references on abilities & spaces between your columns in items.

Loading screen has become a lot of words in spoilers. It leaves more questions than answers, while being a bit messy.

Is this section suppose to be a section talking about while loading into the game? Figuring out what to do based on compositions? I'm sure you can get the answers out much more simply and clear, try not to overload people.

Example:

Contemplate who you'll be focusing with polymorph

Basically a simple short spoiler description so we don't spend a lot of time reading the actual spoiler rather than what is actually in the tag itself. I was more referring to things like CHANGE LOG and big images. You can abuse spoilers but you're abusing them too much now. If it's just text and only a little bit of it (a few paragraphs) it doesn't need spoilers.

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Sweet, thanks for the clarification!