Old Ryze vs. New Ryze (Which is better)

[quote=Read]Riot said that they were attempting to produce the games first "Magic Machine Gun." I want to know peoples thought on whether they preferred Ryze as a Mage (New) or as a Nuke (Old). I was talking to a friend and he refuses to play ryze now. He just loved "popping heads with overload." I personally prefer the new Ryze - Has amazing synergy with items - Building mana means building tank so quite literally the harder you hit the tougher you are - Is deceptively tough with his ult and SV. Savesme all the time. - I absolutely love the game style with the pressing of the buttons and the shaking of the tuchus. But FR i love throwing an overload every few seconds. People think they can run up and harass every time i use it. I just trap em and plant it in their face. - Tear of the goddess allow for an incredible laning experience. You can lane longer and longer and even if you "waste" mana its not really a waste. - It is amazingly easy to farm with overload....it just is. Your thoughts[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]New Ryze can deal quite a bit of damage while being pretty bulky. If left unchecked, much like a carry, he can deal quite a lot of damage over time.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]new ryze is a thousand times better than old ryze. Old ryze was annie with worse CC, less damage, and less utility. Ryze basically forces you to get a void staff/last whisper to kill their mage. it's annoying as hell.[/quote]

[quote=Read]I also believe the new ryze is better. Is their any ways that hes not though? Im no expert at the game and I want to know if he has any downfalls. Obviously, he doesn't do quite as much damage from one rotation as the old one did. And I realize that this new ryze is unique. But for instance. Is one or the other better at 3s or 5s? Which is better against carries or tanks or nukes. As well, which has a stronger beginning, middle, and end game? Whos a better ganker, etc., etc., etc.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]spell flux and his ultimate. everything else about him is better.[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]I like the new ryze. I like versitality. And this is the only champ that scales with mana and still is a caster! His spellvamp is also quite funny in teamfights :) 10HP, *POP*, full HP :P[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Personally, I think I like the new one better, since you can build survivability items to get the mana to deal damage with. So you are an offtank nuke, kinda. And the spell vamp is awesome if you are low, can change the tide of things drastically, almost like an HP transfer from your target to you. Whereas the extra AP just helped with a tad more damage. and @ DEWO, sorry, I didn't even see this, I tend not to look at the threads all the way at the bottom at 2:30 in the morning...teehee :P[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Totaly not need to be sorry :) Its my duty to clean some stuff up :) We dont have search option for forums yet so i cant yell at ya :P[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=DEWO] We dont have search option for forums [b][i][u]yet[/u][/i][/b] so i cant yell at ya :P [/quote] You mean there will be one? o-o[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Ofc it will be. It is quite important as forum grows. At the begining there wasnt much posts and topics but as it gets more and more crowded it will be nessesary at some point. it is one of the big things we need on the forums. 1st was PM system that Admins made.[/quote]