"Good guide but not a good build"

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Referring to the Rammus guide in my signature. Does someone want to explain to me what veloriumcamper is trying to say? The gist of it seems to be that the guide is fantastic, but the build that goes with it isn't good, even though the guide clearly mentions tons of alternative items you can go into... T_T[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]People are blinded by the greatness and accidently hit the -1 button instead of the +1 button. At least that seems to be the only logical answer to me. I mean, knowing item order is more important than knowing how to play the champion anyways right!?!?! *storms off in a fit of rage* It's frustrating when you try to help people and they don't even take the time to read your build... I know... and I've only made one! :P[/quote]

[quote=Ullrich]I would say that the problem with the Rammus build is simply that it's... Odd. The 0-21-9 is kinda funky for a Rammus (although I can see why you might go that way), and the runes aren't right, either. To maximize Rammus's potential, you want as much Armor as possible, and the Runes and Items just don't do that. Besides which, you only have 5 items up. It's a great guide, very detailed and complete, but the build just wouldn't quite work in a real game.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Obviously you're not going to build only 5 items in a real game. Read the item description first. The item build for a tank needs to be as fluid as the game itself, adjusting based on the biggest threats at the moment. Runes are fluid as well. There's a little rune section that explains many different viable rune sets for you to run - Seals of Resilience are on there. 0-21-9 is standard for a tank. Bguggs doesn't spec into utility because he doesn't need it, starting with Cloth Armor and pots.[/quote]

[quote=Vertical Dsb]Ok firstly you have teleport, I don't know what level you are but if your level 30 you should know that teleport is not worth it and are better off with ghost. The best way to play Rammus is to jungle him, not lane Magic pen? armour pen is much better for him, for your seals you have health per level, why would you not take armor? The Armor helps his damage output why the seals do nothing. The problem with your guide is you give to much options on the runes and things like that, you should have a definite rune set for him which would make the guide more attractive and understandable. Most people already know how to play him and just want to know a good combination of runes and masteries with a standard item build to follow along with it. 9/21/0 masteries are better, ability cooldowns for Rammus are a lot more important than your teleport thing you have going on. I'd take a dorans shield over the cloth armor and health potions if you are not jungling. Everything else is fine but you could try put more items into the top bit of the guide, the guide is very detailed and absurdly long, personally I couldn't be assed reading all of it because of that, maybe shorten it up? Don't take this as me having a go at you, just some creative criticism, Most of your guide is fine but theres definitely some things that you could change.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Rammus doesn't take ghost because he's... well, so goddamn fast to begin with. Teleport isn't a necessity - really, only Flash is, but Teleport is, I feel, more useful than ghost simply for the mobility. Yes, jungle Rammus is extremely powerful, but the guide is not a jungle Rammus guide. I believe Bguggs specs into Magic pen because of the magic damage from DBC, Tremors, and Powerball. However, I do agree that armor pen could be very useful if you spec highly into armor. On the contrary regarding runes, etc; a lot of people come to a guide actually looking for improvement, and if they know how to play Rammus, they should already have a general idea for which runes are good on them. I'll think about 9/21/0. Doran's Shield is common but Cloth Armor+pots is more aggressive, still, it's a great option. Bguggs just starts with Cloth Armor because it lets you rush HoG much faster, which is core in this build. And no, I won't be putting more items into the top build of the guide, because it thoroughly explains why less than 1 paragraph into the guide and later again in the dedicated item section.[/quote]

[quote=Vertical Dsb]Why is flash a necessity, I'd personally rather take ghost exhaust, gives you more utility as a tank. fair enough You tend to auto attack more which is why I feel armor pen is more useful but I can see what you mean with magic pen. I still feel you are just offering to much variety, which in its own way is fine as people will use trial and error to find out what works best for them. Cooldowns are ridiculously important on rammus for taunts and stuns else he is useless I see what you mean but dorans shield is king, I've tried everything believe me, been 1500 elo, I've played at a fairly decent level of gaming and it always comes back to the Dorans shield. Fair enough but I'd still include some magic resistance items[/quote]

[quote=BK Retribution]I read your guide and it seemed like a great Rammus guide. What I don't understand though is why people would downvote a guide they haven't even used before or troll because they don't get how to play that character. Personally, I think that the items you get are more important than how to play the character unless you are like a rammus i saw stacking 6 cloth armors and then tryin to solo turret. (-_-) I think that the items are WAY more important because who cares if you know how to play if you dont have any armor or damage. Anyone can evetually destroy a turret or kill a champion, the difference is the efficientsy of it(I think I spelled efficientsy wrong so ya...) To me, your guide looks fine and i'm itching to try it while Rammus is free. Keep throwing more guides up and Riot will have to make everyone Free To Play in one week lol. Well goodluck out there and enjoy LoL while you can!!! XD[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Hey, it's not my guide. Bguggs did all the work. ^_^ Also, the video you saw was some guy trolling. XD[/quote]

[quote=ShadowReign757]I know how you feel Jebus. I'll use my Garen guide as an example. I get comments saying "I'm not gonna vote or use this because Garen is useless as a tank." when obviously if they would read they would see the DPS build ;_; What I'm getting at is, many people don't even read a guide, and it sucks sometimes.[/quote]