"Good guide but not a good build"

[quote=JunSupport]@Vertical Dsb: You've clearly never Flashballed someone; or don't recognize how awesome it is. Rammus does not require Exhaust, as he has his taunt. Powerball = his Ghost. Ghost doesn't allow you to pass through minions while using Powerball, collision still stops you cold. Flash negates all of Rammus' short comings. And Teleport is amazing utility. With Powerball for speed, Taunt for CC, Flash for escapes and catches, Teleport gives Rammus the one thing a non-jungle Rammus doesn't have. Map presence. Being able to get back to lane in 5 seconds after recalling, or jumping to an ally's lane to stop a tower dive, are all amazing capacities that would would give Rammus equal utility to Shen. (FYI: Ghost/Exhaust =/= Utility functions. They are movement/cc functions. Utility is map/push-related support. Excelling examples include Teemo's Shrooms, TF's Destiny, Maokai's Saplings, Stealth abilities, Clairvoyance, Nidalee's traps, Heimerdinger's turrets [remote creep control], etc..) Rammus' cooldowns are just fine, and many players (top tier players) operate fine with it. MR is fine. The description offers plenty of MR items for after Randuin's. You underestimate the MR strength of Aegis + Mercury's Treads + Defensive Curl. :P[/quote]

[quote=Vertical Dsb]Check my rammus scores in ranked or come play with me some day and I'll show you what I mean[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Vertical Dsb: Don't need to. I guarantee if we tried, we could find a Rammus player who does better with Flash. Saying you do better with Ghost+Exhaust on Rammus doesn't make it better. It just means you don't do as well with Flash on Rammus. It doesn't account for the statistics of thousands upon thousands of other players and good old fashion theory-crafting.[/quote]

[quote=Vertical Dsb]I can do fine with flash but ghost and exhaust is better utility on a tank[/quote]

[quote=Jet]if you're laning on rammus, you're doing it wrong just saying[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Vertical Dsb] I can do fine with flash but ghost and exhaust is better utility on a tank [/quote] That's invalid. :P To say they're better utility is invalid, since each Tank has their own strengths. Example: Alistar and Galio both work better with Flash for the knock-up or ultimate. While Shen operates better with Ghost. Ghost = just a faster powerball. Exhaust = slow + disables target. Both of these do things Rammus can already do. In Rammus' case, Flash offers more utility as it allows him to by pass minions to avoid disrupting his Powerball. Sorry, but it's 100% false to say Exhaust + Ghost is better utility. P.S. It's also invalid to say it's better utility without evidence. All your claims are weak and isolated to your own experience or opinion, while the guide, and views against you are supported by design, numerous other players, and the rating on the Rammus guide Jebus put up.[/quote]

[quote=NovaStarZ]Hes probably trying to up his build :L[/quote]

[quote=Vertical Dsb]That is why one of my guides is the best rated tank guide on the forums right? Don't take me for a scrub I understand this game probably a lot better than you so don't doubt me.[/quote]

[quote=tinolas]U mad? Anyways I prefer Flash to Ghost on Rammus, it's not that Ghost is bad it's just that Rammus does fine without it. Exhaust is a situational choice imo if you know you'll face lots of dps. Otherwis you could just taunt your oppenents if you want to save a teammate. If you prefer Ghost and Exhaust on Rammus, you're free to do so. Just don't say that they (the other summoners) are worse if it's just your personal preference.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Vertical Dsb] That is why one of my guides is the best rated tank guide on the forums right? Don't take me for a scrub I understand this game probably a lot better than you so don't doubt me. [/quote] More fallacies. Your guide ain't a Rammus guide. Don't equate Shen knowledge with Rammus knowledge. You clearly aren't as experienced with Rammus as you are with Shen if you're going to make an idiotic claim like that. ESPECIALLY since your Shen guide has a lower rating then the Rammus guide in question.[/quote]