Climbing the ELO Ladder

[quote=Zeprido]I'd like to dedicate this thread to the discussion, and strategy, of climbing in ELO. If the thread gets popular or new ideas come in line I'll add to this, and make it more organized, possibly with colors, pictures, and better structuring As I play, and come across new situations or little things that make a difference, I'll also add them here. Possible Goals of this Thread: - Work together to create a database of various information that can used to benefit and further members of Mobafire - Brainstorm and create a database for counter-picks to be used in Draft and Ranked games - @animorte - Brainstorm and create a database of items/strategies that can counter specific champions [b]Topics of Discussion so far:[/b] Chaos Theory Teamwork Map Awareness Champion Select In Game Discussion Dedication Trolls Feeders Learning [b]"Chaos Theory"[/b] (Credits for this go to Chaotic Bliss) - Try to maintain positive attitude on your team - Do things that might piss off or make enemy team rage - Team morale plays a large part in games [b]Teamwork[/b] - As an example: If Kat is getting screwed, reposition yourself so they can Shunpo to you, reinforces positive attitude - Coordination and following through with plans - positioning - Focus (members of a team all targeting down a single champion) - If your presence can make a difference, be there [b]Map Awareness[/b] - While playing the game, be able to pay attention to the map and understand when enemies are mia or coming for you - Will allow you to rely less on actual mia calls, creates less of a negative attitude in the team [b]Champion Select[/b] - Who to ban - How to counter pick - Important "first picks" - Champions that Complement each other - Which champions fit in certain types of team comps - Champions that you absolutely should know how to play [b]In Game Discussion[/b] - Playing the role of the "parent" and getting people to calm down if they start raging - Play the part of leader or if duo queueing, leaders, direct team, develop strategies - Actively pay attention to what teammates say in chat - @Miraisen - Tell on team to join you on vent or skype for better communication [b]Dedication[/b] - Understand when to dedicate to something, like taking a tower, or only doing some damage making it easier for next time - Know when to get out of a situation and be able to tell that it is in fact a bad one [b]Trolls[/b] - How to prepare for them - How to handle them - How they can help you (lol?) [b]Feeders[/b] - How to prepare for them - How to handle them - How they can help you (lol?) [b]Learning[/b] (very broad topic) - If you die or can't save somebody, or didn't get a kill, when you get a chance, analyze why that is so - After a game, win or lose, without blame or bias, try and isolate reasons why you won or lost, this information will benefit you in the future - Record your games, you can re-watch them later to analyze how things played out, how you can improve, and what you can do differently in the future - Watch high ELO streams, notably TreeEskimo and Guardsman Bob as they often provide commentary Changelog: 6:00AM EST 4/15/11 - Added Chaos Theory, Teamwork, Champion Select, In Game Discussion, Map Awareness, Dedication, Trolls, Feeders, and Learning [b]If others have yet to play ranked yet, I strongly urge you to take the opportunity to do so before the reset with Season 2, it's your free shot to see what it is like.[/b] [*] If anyone spots any topics that are out of place, or have anything to add, let me know and I'll add it or change it [*] Don't be afraid to suggest new topics, possible sub categories, or to go in depth. [*] Any work or ideas provided that are not my own, will be given credit to whomever presented it.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Reserved for additional information if needed. Counter-Picking - Idea's Proposed thus far: @Searz - Janna [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] AOE Teams - Olaf [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Disabling CC teams - Urgot [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Irelia @Adonikam - Nasus [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Xin Zhao @Trojan995 - Will get off of a lazy ass and possibly create a guide on the subject (Please let me know if you do, I'd be willing to help) - Jarvan/Anivia/Trundle partially [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Olaf's/Yi's ultimate and Irelia's hard CC reduction, because of their terrain CC. - Tristana/Katarina (and Miss Fortune, Gangplank), Executioner's Calling or Ignite [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Mundo/Swain and Heals - Champion's With Hard CC (Knockup, Stun, Grab, Relocation [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Katarina - Swain [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Heavy Melee Team Comps - Kog'maw [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] Heavy Tank Team Comps - High Mobility, such as Teleport, Janna, and Rammus [u][i]Counters[/i][/u] TF/Teemo/Nocturne Split Pushing[/quote]

[quote=Searz]I would LOVE to know about who counters who and such things. I've got very little knowledge in that area except for the obvious; Lots of disables<Olaf, AOE disable<Janna.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]@Searz any particular champions you having problems with that you would like to counter-pick? It is my hope that we can create a list of popular counter-picks for champions, as well as other things that players should know that would not only benefit them in ranked, but overall gameplay as well, of course, to use as a reference. It would be very hard to do this alone, thus I've opened this to the community.[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]Nasus>Xin Zhao ^ The Ultimate Counter-Pick ^[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Zeprido] @Searz any particular champions you having problems with that you would like to counter-pick? It is my hope that we can create a list of popular counter-picks for champions, as well as other things that players should know that would not only benefit them in ranked, but overall gameplay as well, of course, to use as a reference. It would be very hard to do this alone, thus I've opened this to the community.[/quote] Not really. I was just thinking that a list like that would be really nice. Here's a few I can think of now: Janna counters AOE teams. Olaf counters disabling teams. Urgot kinda counters Irelia, but they're both so strong in the lane.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Adonikam] Nasus>Xin Zhao ^ The Ultimate Counter-Pick ^[/quote] How come? Never seen nor tried it.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=Searz] [quote=Adonikam] Nasus>Xin Zhao ^ The Ultimate Counter-Pick ^[/quote] How come? Never seen nor tried it. [/quote] Wither, Xin Zhao thrives with attack speed from [[battle cry]] since it gives him CDR and he can spam [[three talon strike]] and [[audacious charge]] more.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Searz] I would LOVE to know about who counters who and such things. I've got very little knowledge in that area except for the obvious; Lots of disables<Olaf, AOE disable<Janna. [/quote] I'm not far off from creating a guide on the subject :) If I can get off my lazy ass. Some counters: Jarvan/Anivia/Trundle (kinda) counters Olaf's/Yi's ultimate and Irelia's hard CC reduction, because of their terrain CC. Tristana/Katarina or ignite counters mundo/swain Everyone but Mordekaiser counters Katarina (well, mostly everyone. Anyone with easy, quick CC is the best counter tbh). Swain counters heavy melee team comps. Kog'maw counters heavy tank team comps, however as shown by TSM in the Go4LoL tournament, kog'maw needs a strong laning/defensive team to counter a tanky team or else they just tear him a new one early game. TF/teemo/nocturne split pushing team comps (decent ones, anyways) can be countered by high mobility, such as teleport, janna, and rammus. I can't remember many right now, but that's sort of how counter picking goes.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]@Trojan Er.. Are you even very experienced at high level play? I'm not myself and I'm still at higher elo than you. Or is there some resource you know that has info on counters? I've seen none yet.[/quote]