Last Whisper

[quote=Rudmed]Now I have done some number curnching on [[Last Whisper]] and I am kinda wondering why would you buy it. I know it gives good attack damage, and not to mention ARP. Though at the same time I look at [[the black cleaver]] and I wonder why not get this item? I mean on an 80 armor target (about all champions without armor) you pentrate 32 armor, but after the 3rd hit with TBC you go through 45. I doubt you're gonna two shot anyone in this game, so TBC seems like a better buy imo. Though this only true until you attack a tank, and it makes me wonder why? Why? on earth would you be attacking the tank (unless he is the only one there.) So unless that carry (for some ungodly reason) is stacking armor I don't see why more builds get TBC.[/quote]

[quote=Jet]because if you build TBC they will get a chain vest and there you go, you wasted 2.8 k or w/e last whisper basically says "hey, it doesn't matter if you get armor, I'm still going to do a tonne of damage"[/quote]

[quote=Searz]TBC seems like a better choice on most champions. It's really superior on auto attacks, but LW will beat it on physical abilities (assuming you haven't attacked them with AAs yet). @Jet It deals more damage on auto attacks almost regardless of armor. At 200+ armor LW will be better, but below that; NO.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Black Cleaver with Armor Pen marks and quints win. Armor Reduction lets allies do more damage too. So Black Cleaver definitely better. Deadly auto-attacks are deadly.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Though I wonder. If you were to get a Last Whisper and they got more armor you would still do the same amount of damage right? Because the 40% value doesn't change, or atleast that is what I am thinking. If so then all the % items have fooled us darn well.[/quote]

[quote=SinDelta]Last whisper is for the late game armor stacking, the flat reduction from TBC isn't going to cut it anymore. Which is why we buy last whisper for the % reduction, it's simple really..[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Armor stacking...HMMMMM. What type of characters armor stacks.. Carries= no not really. Anti-carries= Maybe a little, but not much. Support= No unless it is just part of what they build. off-tanks= Some, but may get more AD items. Tanks= Oh yeah. So once again I bring up the point, why get it unless your attacking the tank? Then again why are you attacking the tank in the 1st place. Look at what searz said too.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=SinDelta] Last whisper is for the late game armor stacking, the flat reduction from TBC isn't going to cut it anymore. [/quote] Most teams do more magic damage then physical nowadays. And your base armor is actually higher then your base MR. Physical damage only stays important because of auto-attacks, minion aggro, and towers. Rarely will you find a more then 1 champion on the enemy team that stacks 200+ armor. In which case, Madred's Bloodrazor, and your magic damage deals will clean that champion out thoroughly.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=JunSupport] [quote=SinDelta] Last whisper is for the late game armor stacking, the flat reduction from TBC isn't going to cut it anymore. [/quote] Most teams do more magic damage then physical nowadays. And your base armor is actually higher then your base MR. Physical damage only stays important because of auto-attacks, minion aggro, and towers. Rarely will you find a more then 1 champion on the enemy team that stacks 200+ armor. In which case, Madred's Bloodrazor, and your magic damage deals will clean that champion out thoroughly. [/quote] And if they have 200+ armor and MR? =P[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=SinDelta] Last whisper is for the late game armor stacking, the flat reduction from TBC isn't going to cut it anymore. Which is why we buy last whisper for the % reduction, it's simple really..[/quote] Will people who got no fucking idea of what they're talking about please stop talking? Thank you. @Rudmed No, you're just confusing yourself.[/quote]