Lich Bane on Annie?

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]When did he ever say [[Lich Bane]] was better than other items? all he said was that the AP was comparable to other high AP items and, guess what, it is. The MS and MR are good, the mana and AP is nice, and the passive is a bonus. I'm not saying I would use it as a core item, but it [u][b]does[/b][/u] have potential to be a good item. And the fact is that just because something is uncommon doesn't mean it's not viable...[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130][quote=SixSonatas] [quote=Pwnzor1130] Seriously? Stop talking about "Oh you need Burst." Didn't I already explain that Lich Bane has THE SAME AMOUNT OF AP AS COMPARABLE ITEMS? The base stats on it are great if you don't need much more survivability. And honestly, fights do last longer than one rotation. Didn't I say LB is primarily for chasing and poking? Even when I've done my full combo there is usually still damage to be done. [/quote] Lol dude umad? Searz already said that the only reason you would get it would be for the MS, because the proc not procing is a waste of gold and the item is inefficient. Otherwise, you're better off buying more burst. I mean, you can say whatever you want, but challenge us to a match and show us you're better players, then you can start saying how these "innovative" builds are sometimes better than standard builds, okay? :) [/quote] You're not getting the point, are you?[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]I never said NOT viable, I just said isn't AS viable ([i]almost[/i] worthless on Annie; note I didn't say IS worthless :]). The MS is pretty much the only reason to get it lol, the mana, MR, and AP are bonuses, the proc is pretty much unseen on Annie; you're now at the point where the item is extremely cost inefficient. You're trying to make it sound like a godsend item, and it's really not. Annie's not built for Lich Bane. You can get it, but then again you can get an Infinity Edge on Annie too, right?[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]I wouldn't say the proc is useless, it might not be able to live up to its full potential on Annie, but I just thought it could help as well. Honestly, if you don't need as much MR as an [[abyssal scepter]] I would build it. It's a decent item all around and was never meant to be gotten over Rylai's or Abyssal Scepter if you need the survivability.[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]Abyssal Scepter offers 10 less AP for 27 extra MR and a 20 MR debuff aura while costing 800 less than Lich Bane; like the MR debuff helps your entire team (and you) out, while Lich Bane is sort of selfish and is ineffective against gap closers who will get to you regardless of how fast you run. It's about cost efficiency really; in average (higher ELO) games, you will only make about 10k-12k gold on average per game; putting 3.5k into Lich Bane makes it pretty much a core item. Now, assuming you somehow finish your entire build, you can consider Lich Bane as a finisher, but really it's just a dream to be had.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]Okay, lets do a bit of rough math here. With your "standard" Deathcap, sorc shoes, zhonya's, rylai's, void staff, BV annie build (atleast that's my normal build.) Your Q will do 250+462 damage (712) Your W will do 285+493 damage (778) Bear drop will do 450+493 damage (943) Your combo (q-w-r-q) will do 3145 damage before MR. Now, if you would say... replace the zhonya's with a Lich Bane (As you said, the role of annie isn't to get off two combos, but instead to be a burst nuker.) your ap would be lower and your skills would do: Q: 693 W: 757 R: 922 Lich Bane: 590 So your combo (Q-W-R-Q+LB) would do 3655 damage. Not to mention how much faster you will take down towers with the Lich Bane Procs from W and E. It's far from a "bad" item on Annie.[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]You forgot to take into account the amount of gold made. You can only afford lv2 boots, Deathcap, Rylais, and BV; maybe another Large Rod if you're lucky. Replace one of the items with Lich Bane; efficiency now? Oh and you forgot to account for Tibber's AoE burn damage which scales with AP. Oh, you also forgot to multiply the damage by AoE as well... so if you want to talk maximum, multiply by 5, if optimum, multiply by 3. If hitting less than 3, you're picking a bad fight.[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]AP on [[Lich Bane]] = AP on [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] = AP on [[needlessly large rod]].[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas][quote=Pwnzor1130] AP on [[Lich Bane]] = AP on [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] = AP on [[needlessly large rod]]. [/quote] Extremely cost inefficient. Why buy for AP? 3470 for 80 AP or 1600 for 80 AP? Yay![/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]Like I said, I would usually take it over Rylai's. Slightly more expensive for more damage.[/quote]