Rush Philo Stone

[quote=Jebus McAzn]As a lot of you probably know, when Hotshot plays Orianna, he starts Regrowth and rushes Philo Stone for his first item. My question is why Philo Stone rushing is viable on Orianna - and why you wouldn't use it on other AP carries like Annie, Anivia, Brand, etc. Why Orianna? What makes her different? What makes rushing Philo viable on her as opposed to going straight AP, or rushing Catalyst into Rod?[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]I think it's because Orianna's much more of a supporty-mage. She has an AoE CC, shield, brush-check, movement speed, etc.[/quote]

[quote=Trophycase]It depends on their early game mana needs as well as strengths/weaknesses. I rush philo stone on Swain and I have seen it done as well. But in terms of brand I think it is because you cannot capitalize on his early game power if you are dumping gold into philo stone, however good of an item it may be. Maybe he feels that he needs philo stone to harass properly, I don't really know.[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong]Support = less farm dependant. Should be giving last hits to lanemate therefore you get GP5 to alleviate yourself getting too unfarmed.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]Even though he takes a solo lane as Orianna, I think a few things come into play: - Orianna is MUCH more mana-hungry than any of the champs mentioned (except for Brand maybe? Iunno, haven't played Brand much). - Orianna has high utility, but it's difficult to get adequate burst on her (because it's hard, if not impossible to get a full combo off). Therefore she focuses more on utility and using all her spells as much as possible. Annie, for instance, may just burst down the enemy carry and then run away until all her spells are off CD. Orianna needs to stay in for the long haul, protecting all the champs and still dealing damage, so that mana regen is more important. - Most of those champs focus on getting as much AP as quickly as possible, therefore rushing a deathcap is best and getting a philo would just set them back. Orianna needs a lot of items as core items, and getting an 800 gold item won't delay her full core to function well, it'll speed it up.[/quote]

[quote=xLiqur]Orianna blends the line of Mage/Support, even the creator of her said so. She is really mana hungry from level 1 since you want to be face checking brush with your balls for ganks, but if you were staying back and leveling W for nukin potential, then a philo stone might not be as viable.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Xenasis] I think it's because Orianna's much more of a supporty-mage. She has an AoE CC, shield, brush-check, movement speed, etc. [/quote] People say she's support but have you seen her burst? It's absolutely retarded. Full health burst in 1.5 seconds with any decent amount of AP. Although I will concede that she is really mana heavy - but why not just rush Tear then?[/quote]

[quote=Trophycase][quote=Jebus McAzn] [quote=Xenasis] I think it's because Orianna's much more of a supporty-mage. She has an AoE CC, shield, brush-check, movement speed, etc. [/quote] People say she's support but have you seen her burst? It's absolutely retarded. Full health burst in 1.5 seconds with any decent amount of AP. Although I will concede that she is really mana heavy - but why not just rush Tear then? [/quote] Not cost effective maybe? I'm not sure, I honestly have never been a fan of tear of the goddess, I feel like whenever I get it on mage champions, my build just gets set back too far, whereas philo stone will pay for itself if the champ's lategame is any good.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]I play Ori full on nuke mage and I rush a philo on her. Early game her farming is okay, but in order to really nuke you need some good items on her, the gp10 stat helps that...and yes she is very mana hungry, I get an early catalyst into RoA too...the regens help you spam and lane longer, and alon with the gp10 for the price it is hard not to get...also I go duo lane Ori, I take some farm but not too much, since her shield + slow can net you and your owning partner a lot of early kills...the gp10 helps provide an income for this situation as well. no tear since you will pick up tons of mana from RoA plus I get regens from evil tome, more than enough. Plus I wouldn't build tear into AA at all anyways. and about the thing that she is somewhat support, but she has crazy nuke, here is how I have described her many times: [quote=wRAthoFVuLK] And she is like, 100% nuke, plus 25% support. Like, 125% nuke and support. :D since, she is an amazing nuke, and support does not take away from her nuking capabilities. in fact, if you put your E on an ally who will initiate, you are supporting them with the xtra mres and armor, and then you can cast off of them from a safe distance and wreck the enemies. her support intermingles with her nuking, just as her W haste for allies is not JUST a haste like Zilean but also her most damaging ability, humongous slow for enemies, AoE, AND a haste for allies. Just as her shield is great for positioning the ball and deals a ton of damage on its path. So, really, unlike Lux who you may be right with the 70% nuke 30% support thing, because one of Lux's abilities is solely a support (shield), Orianna is 100% nuke intermingling with support. :3 [/quote][/quote]

[quote=B-Wong]Why rush tear when there's a magical item called "Catalyst the Protector"[/quote]