New Voting System

[quote=Apotheosis]This thread was created with the intention that everyone can share and agree/disagree with new possibilities concerning the Voting System. I can't really stand going through builds anymore because I don't know whether they're good or not. Some of the best builds don't have the ratings they should, and it kills viewers such as myself who want to use them w/o having to go through several builds to find that right one. I'll notice that a build might look good, but find out the ratings suck and there's no explanation for me to view upon this. Why does it suck when it looks fine to me? I tried a few for different champions and noticed that they work fairly well and don't have the recognition that they should yet they have a lot of votes already. Why is this you might ask? Because there are way to many haters out there. It is really aggravating the shit out of me now and if MOBAfire wants to get this site better recognized, were going to have to do something than rather procrastinate. I'm sorry having said this, but we all know it's true. If it were up to me, I'd say fuck the voting system, but we all know that can't happen. Instead, I've advised a new way to approach the current voting system we work under. Here's how it will work: 1) Each voter will either vote thumbs up or down and upon doing so, they will be forced to leave a comment. Right next to their name when they leave their comment will be that thumbs up or thumbs down icon. This will eliminate the possibility of down-voting and leaving a good comment, unless they want to leave a good comment with a thumbs down mark by their comment. The IP bans MOBAfire monitors should be eliminating many of those who create several accounts at their computer. This will only solve maybe half the problem however... 2) There's a good chance that many people have no lives and create emails on multiple computers in various locations or even use some of their friends emails to vote that will be seen maybe once when it comes to a thumbs down. However, these accounts can be taken into much more suspicion because a.) The account had just been created, b.) The account has little to no total comments, and c.) The account has a negative vote. There is another problem with (c). The user might vote positively on many other random builds to make himself/herself look less suspicious. What do we do in this case? A possible solution: There will be a new icon created at the top somewhere that says "Report User Abuse" or something in that manner. The user who was affected will need to click that button if suspicious for any reason, and MOBAfire staff will look further into the attack. If they believe that someone did indeed thumbs down a guide on purpose, then they can choose to remove the negative vote and ban that user. If that account was opened on another accounts IP address, then bingo! A primary suspect has been caught and will receive the ban hammer. Again, these were my thoughts, tell me what/how you think this issue should be addressed.[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong][quote]. Right next to their name when they leave their comment will be that thumbs up or thumbs down icon. This will eliminate the possibility of down-voting and leaving a good comment, unless they want to leave a good comment with a thumbs down mark by their comment. [/quote] From what I've drawn out from what the staff has discussed between us "Greenies", this would discourage voting all together. People will tend to shy away if they just don't see the build working and don't like it. Hopefully this isn't revealing too much of what's been planned. And for # 2 [quote]a.) The account had just been created, b.) The account has little to no total comments, and c.) The account has a negative vote. There is another problem with (c). The user might vote positively on many other random builds to make himself/herself look less suspicious.[/quote] Seems like a good idea if anyone could come up with a way to figure out which accounts are spam voting (whether it be positive or negative).[/quote]

[quote=Apotheosis]Would you rather have shyness or dishonesty. Also, they don't have to vote before they comment. I emphasize this so very highly in my guide: comment before you vote, ask your questions and don't just assume. When people view my guide, I could give a f less about my rating over actually helping them. Now, this doesn't mean I'd rather them vote and not comment at all, regardless if it's positive or negative.[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]And this again. Let me introduce you to this topic: [url]http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/mobafire-support/petition-4[/url] This has been discussed many many times. For me the main issue atm with builds is not the rating but the spammage... for a single champion you have 500000 builds. You can filter the recomended ones, you can filter by score but still you have 500000 builds... 50% of them are not even worth reading through. 40% are builds that are... just a copy of 5283 other builds. 10% are builds that are worth anything (and tbh they are not always top rated as you saw already) Even if we filter those 10% we still have 5000 builds. I have thrown an idea of archiving the builds automaticly, if it wanst updated for like a month, i gave the idea of Veterans to filter the spammage. MOBAFire admins have full hands of work atm, but believe me it is 1000% better than it used to be with the rating system.[/quote]

[quote=Apotheosis]I've read your petition, and it doesn't really lean towards my perspectives. Therefore I brought up my own topic. Adding to your topic however: If you want to enforce those who vote negatively to leave comments as to why they voted the way they did, your not always going to receive a negative comment. They might vote down, but leave a good comment to trick you. Now as far as your statement goes, sure there are many builds out there, and many people don't like to add descriptions. However, thats where you guys as veterans come in and recommend builds so that we as viewers know what to look for. If I see a build that I like, then I'll comment (usually the recommended builds or builds that I feel could work). Usually, I never vote or comment as soon as I read a guide. I'll make sure that it works for me before I go on to such matters. Builds will be noticed in time for those who should be recognized, so I'm not too worried about that. So to make this clear, my post hasn't been discussed before I brought it up. You can introduce me to your topic, but it hasn't much to do with mine. You might have brought up some points that needed to be approached, but I have a different view on how this new system should work. Lastly, I don't disagree that MOBAfire is working on a new approach that will work at a better efficiency. Im simply giving advice that may help them in their future decisions for this site.[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]There isn't really much anyone can do to enforce voting systems... there will always be trolls on the internet. People who are jealous, people who don't know how to read, and people who even vote your guide down to get theirs higher. I don't understand why there are people who waste their time doing that, but that's their choice. I choose to spend my time writing well thought-out guides and voting positive on guides that I like and leaving guides that don't work for me alone. But that's just me. Judging how QQ the community is on League, I don't expect much better from a forum for the same game. There will be exceptions and I will befriend every last one of you so that the community can improve and become closer.[/quote]

[quote=Apotheosis]Does anyone else have something "constructive" to say? No one is trying to enforce anything, this is only a list of ideas to aid decisions (and I'd hope others could share their ideas). We as the members of the community have every right to share out thoughts, even if you might think otherwise. Without our ideas, where would some of the functions that this site possesses be. Would we have veterans if they never gave a fuck? How you spend your time is up to you. I choose to spend my time in attempt to better the community, I don't just lose hope because of the way people act. This is a great example between people who care, and those who just live their lives careless. Changes occur in the community around them, online and IRL. [quote]There isn't really much anyone can do to enforce voting systems... [/quote] We can try :D[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]Well as someone above said, if you force people to leave comments they can leave meaningless comments. If we make an "approval" system for these comments to go with voting, it'll be too much work for the admins. I'm really out of ideas of what we can do but to let the system stay the way it is >.<[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]cmon just fuck it. I am happy that i get a comment now and than that my guide helped som1 becoming a better player. Isnt it the purpouse of this? Its not a race. Leave it as it is. There is no perfect sollution. For me the biggest problem is the quantity of builds and spam that is here. I came up with idea to automaticly archieve the builds that are "left over" for some time and didnt get updated. Reduce the number of guides = more ppl accualy reading the ones that are valuable. We made 1st step by doing the Veterans bumping the good guides, This is what we should focus on, not the rating system itself. That is my 0.02$[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]I like the idea, but no one wants to be known as the guy that downvoted. This is more an error of the human mind than an error of the site. Most people are afraid to downvote if they are recognized as the downvote because they don't want to be downvoted in return. Which brings me to my next point. Revenge. Trolls are running wild on every site that is similar to this. People downvote to get that extra bump in the top "X champ" guides, or simply because they are jealous, or don't like the guide maker. I honestly could not tell you. To be totally honest, instead of downvoting, i prefer to not vote and leave advice to the person so that their guide is good enough to upvote. that way the don't get discouraged, and they are that much closer to a solid guide. However, a solid guide is different in everyone's eyes, so a DPS taric might seem great to some, but awful to others. It could be the best DPS Taric guide out there, but because some people have never tried it or were not able to correctly use the playstyle, they may downvote it, regardless of the quality of the guide. These issues are all User issues, not MOBAfire issues. This is the problem with everything. Such is the Human mind. =\ EDIT: I personally believe that the veteran help is a brilliant idea. Recommending guides and giving advice to guides from a Veteran is one of the best ways to get recognition. I understand, however, that this means little if your guide is popular enough to reach top guides for the month, which shows up on the main page. This is more of a "who has the most friends" war. I saw one of the most solid Udyr guides drop from 4th place to off the charts in one day. How can a guide that I think is the build to go off of drop 5% in one day? now, he had about 20 total votes at that point, so it wasnt just one downvote that made his guide drop like that. Maybe if this requirement to comment was only for the top builds of the month. Although that might create some programming issues, but im just throwing it out there =P[/quote]