Need help to beat Vlad as Cait

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ZioSerpe] don't mid as ranged AD? [/quote] Yeah, it's not as if caitlyn out lanes 90% of champions in the game or anything.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Temzilla] [quote=ZioSerpe] don't mid as ranged AD? [/quote] Yeah, it's not as if caitlyn out lanes 90% of champions in the game or anything. [/quote] True, but that also means your AP carry is probably stuck bot getting less XP and levels, which is a bad idea. And you can only dominate everyone with Caitlyn if you can last-hit, kite, and aim your Q properly. Some people can't do those things, and just lose the lane to a simpler champion.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=ZioSerpe] don't mid as ranged AD? [/quote] Yeah, it's not as if caitlyn out lanes 90% of champions in the game or anything. [/quote] True, but that also means your AP carry is probably stuck bot getting less XP and levels, which is a bad idea. And you can only dominate everyone with Caitlyn if you can last-hit, kite, and aim your Q properly. Some people can't do those things, and just lose the lane to a simpler champion. [/quote] Lots of AP's can top. Caitlyn requires basic game mechanics in order to play properly? ZOMG :O![/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I'm just saying, I'm pretty sure I've never lost to a Caitlyn in mid if I had a decent AP carry. Have I played against a lot of bad Caits? Probably. Have I played against some decent ones? Certainly. My point is that winning mid lane is not a done deal just because you're long range. EDIT: One thing I forgot - Caitlyn (and most ranged DPS champions) are fairly vulnerable to ganks. Most AP carries have a built-in CC and a lot of burst, while Cait just has her net and maybe [[Flash]]. If she pushes at all, she's pretty easy to take down.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=PsiGuard] I'm just saying, I'm pretty sure I've never lost to a Caitlyn in mid if I had a decent AP carry. Have I played against a lot of bad Caits? Probably. Have I played against some decent ones? Certainly. My point is that winning mid lane is not a done deal just because you're long range. [/quote] She beats anyone with dodgeable skillshots. You can't move out of the way of an auto attack. Vlad is a very weak laner against Caitlyn, if you're losing to vlad as Cait then you're doing it wrong.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No executioners damnit x_x You need to be able to beat him in trades. Just a Doran's or two MAXIMUM, Ideally you'll be able to get the BT asap. If you can rush it, even better. Even an infinity edge would be fine. Just as long as he takes more damage than you in trades, by a lot, you will win with Cait.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I DID mention that. I don't consider Vlad very viable at all right now. He's about as badly nerfed as Morde (though some people swear they're still strong, I just don't see it). And there are plenty of AP carries without skillshots (though most don't JUST have targeted spells). [[Veigar]], [[Annie]], [[Cassiopeia]], [[Vladimir]], [[Malzahar]], [[Orianna]], [[Ryze]], [[Zilean]].... Like I said, most of these have some skill-shot like element, but they're easier to land than [[Dark Binding]] or something.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=PsiGuard] And there are plenty of AP carries without skillshots (though most don't JUST have targeted spells). Veigar, Annie, Cassiopeia, Vlad, Malzahar, Orianna, Ryze Zilean.... Like I said, most of these have some skill-shot like element, but they're easier to land than [[Dark Binding]] or something. [/quote] What the hell are you talking about, virtually all of those have skillshots of some sort. Veigar's stun and Malz's wall of purple crap especially are hard to land properly. Cassiopeia's I believe is also hard to learn (never played her).[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=DuffTime] No executioners damnit x_x [/quote] Why not? It's not too bad of an item, and it gives some quick lifesteal. The active is great if you don't have [[Ignite]] (which Cait won't, usually) and it's pretty helpful in team fights. I'm not saying I would bother getting it, but it might be a good idea if Vlad starts to 'carry'.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Luther3000] [quote=PsiGuard] And there are plenty of AP carries without skillshots (though most don't JUST have targeted spells). Veigar, Annie, Cassiopeia, Vlad, Malzahar, Orianna, Ryze Zilean.... Like I said, most of these have some skill-shot like element, but they're easier to land than [[Dark Binding]] or something. [/quote] What the hell are you talking about, virtually all of those have skillshots of some sort. Veigar's stun and Malz's wall of purple crap especially are hard to land. [/quote] Which is easier to dodge: [[Incinerate]] or [[Dark Binding]]? [[Event Horizon]] or [[Sear]]? Most line-based skillshots can be blocked by creeps, and they're often easy to dodge. The rest of the non-targeted spells are like twice as easy to land.[/quote]