My take on Elementz' Graves Tier List

[quote=Beeswarm17]^ Actually, I heard a lot of "oh shit I don't have revive" that game, but again, it wasn't a serious game. I was too busy amused by my random ass Pantheon playing. Like when I ulted to where I randomly thought the mordekaiser would be and killed him. But yeah, I can see how it's useful. I just don't think that it's the absolute most powerful thing in this game, as according to elements. >_>[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe]Karthus is not hard to master if you got the brain of at least the size of a peanut. Farming is easy as hell to begin with. And all you have to learn is, is ok to die in teamfight due to passive BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Meaning if you're not an idiot in about 2 games you'll have mastered karth[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ Really? His Q is quite possibly the hardest skillshot in the game to hit against anyone with boots. If you can't hit his Q, you're going to lose your lane. Even if you can, Karthus has a big disadvantage in lane to most other AP champs. He's also very squishy and easy to feed on if you aren't careful. Honestly I think he's probably one of the harder champs to master in the game. If you watched IEM or Dreamhack there were so many Karthi(?) that failed badly, even with their level of skill. The only one I've seen that consistently dominates on Karthus is xPeke.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I think Elementz doesn't think very much. He just objectively takes whatever is succeeding in High Elo play and throws it into a list.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Exactly my thoughts duff[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Which is why he does it to be honest. It's his way of telling lower elo players what's working at that moment in high elo. I don't think that he means to say low tier champs are bad necessarily. Some of them may be though >:P[/quote]

[quote=hypershatter][quote=DuffTime] I think Elementz doesn't think very much. He just objectively takes whatever is succeeding in High Elo play and throws it into a list. [/quote] people expecting more are idiots, not elementz.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You'll have to be more specific, I don't know what that means.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]^ He means that that's exactly what Elementz should do and everyone who expects him to do more than just that is an idiot. You said 'he doesn't think very much' which sounds like you think Elementz is doing something wrong.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No it means he doesn't think much, he just throws the list together based on what high elo players are doing, which is -exactly- what I wrote.[/quote]