My take on Elementz' Graves Tier List

[quote=Blydden]Its hard to deny its accuracy, but I always take into account the GIANT dislaimer that SHOULD be there, saying "ALL CHAMPIONS ARE PLAYED AT THE SAME SKILL LEVEL, THE SKILL LEVEL IS A CONSTANT". For example, Elementz's [[Lux]] will easily stomp most tier 1 champions played at the average ELO. The skill gap man, the skill gap. I also think his tier list applies more to high-elo than to low-elo or mid-elo.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Blydden] Its hard to deny its accuracy, but I always take into account the GIANT dislaimer that SHOULD be there, saying "ALL CHAMPIONS ARE PLAYED AT THE SAME SKILL LEVEL, THE SKILL LEVEL IS A CONSTANT". For example, Elementz's [[Lux]] will easily stomp most tier 1 champions played at the average ELO. The skill gap man, the skill gap. I also think his tier list applies more to high-elo than to low-elo or mid-elo. [/quote] No I believe its also for low elo as well in most ways only a few champions are things changing.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Temzilla] [quote=NicknameMy] Well, [[Tryndamere]] tier 1? Idk... If you place [[Tryndamere]] in tier 1 you could also place [[master yi]] in tier 1... [/quote] Tryndamere is an amazing solo top. Master Yi is a terrible solo top. [/quote] Actually, the combo of Master Yi's [[Double strike]] with [[wuju style]] and [[alpha strike]] can also cost you half of your HP. It could be also used to outzone enemys. And he has a sustain through [[meditate]]. Well, If you start with [[doran's ring]], of course.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If yi charges up his 7th strike, Q's, and activates his increase damage, it can deal a lot of damage fast. You are correct.[/quote]

[quote=C4k3CooKieZ][center][h2]All I'm saying is that Karthus with TP and Revive rocks ^^[/h2] [img=http://i.imgur.com/7stZr.png][/center][/quote]

[quote=Sacull_Kinslayer]I played Vlad with CDR and Hextech before it was FoTM and the high tier got it nerfed by sucking with it and complaining the whole time... I had a friend who played Ashe before she was considered strong, Galio before he was amazing, and jungle trundle when most though trundle was crap. In most areas things flow downhill... but in LoL things actually flow uphill from normal queue up to the higher elos. Tier Lists do not take into account skill level. A GREAT player can take a mediocre champ with a mediocre build with mediocre runes and a mediocre mastery setup and do great because they are great players. Skill level versus gear level disparaging was why I left WoW. Didn't matter if you were the best player in the world you couldn't overcome someone who was a crappy player if they had much better gear. In LoL however... skill does matter. And matters much.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I will never get to see high ELO because of this list. People see Karthus with revive/TP as tier 1? There's one in almost every game I play... they feed so hard...[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Lugignaf] I will never get to see high ELO because of this list. People see Karthus with revive/TP as tier 1? There's one in almost every game I play... they feed so hard... [/quote] That makes absolutely no sense. If they feed and that reduces your chance of winning, then what about when they're on the enemy team? Statistically speaking, you won't get any more on your team than on theirs, especially if you yourself don't play it.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]It made sense when I typed it. Basically, what I'm trying to say, people pay too much attention to the meta and opinionated tier lists. Example game I played: The enemy team had no support and the AP mid was pissed at their last pick. Their last pick was panth who laned with a Cait. They ended up winning the game because of the Panth who fed Caitlyn. We couldn't do shit with our "perfect" meta team.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Thats false. I get a shaco on my team at least 50% of my ranked games in the past two weeks, yet i've only seen one shaco on the other team in the past two weeks. I kid you not.[/quote]