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New Soraka benefits much more from CDR than AP~

She benefits most from a combination of the two imo.

What topics are we talking about here? Olaf? (everyone should know he's OP right now)
Nothing I've disagreed with you about has been proven correct. (which mostly only is the Vayne skilling and Warmog topics though)


That's just mean. Jun argues a lot of good points and doesn't discard facts.


Not really. I just agreed with Jun because he had logical statements unlike you. I think the other 2 vets did too. I don't even think there was any shooting down. There was discussion and there was you ignoring/disagreeing with most other peoples' opinions.


Learn to be more concise and specific. That would probably increase the chances of people actually reading what you write. I sometimes ignore a lot of it because you don't know how to be concise.
What you write can often be written in half the words.


Mean and presumptuous. Most people who disagree with you probably just see the holes in your arguments and get annoyed when you don't realize them yourself.

No no no no Searz.

I've been saying Olaf was strong for months, and you didn't agree with that. He got buffs, and those buffs made him completely overpowered, and you didn't agree with THAT until a high Elo player tried it, and suddenly everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I remember how it all went down, now that we're here and Olaf is undeniably OP, it's easy to say that everyone knows Olaf is OP, but you weren't saying he's been strong until somebody else proved it.

That's exactly my point, if Duff says it, Searz doesn't care. Somebody else has to prove it before Searz agrees, somebody with a higher Elo than Searz.

I've been very very to the point and concise and direct and clear with the things I've said. The Vayne topic, there was no patty caking around, I laid out numbers and examples and said very clearly everything and anything a person would need to hear to understand how the lane works. But youuu probably didn't read it, why would you waste your time on a nobody like me?

You backed up Jun without trying what I said. If you tried it and it didn't work for you then hey, I stand corrected. But I don't think you did.

This is another example of you disagreeing with me without taking the time to even read what I'm talking about. Which is fine, I'm not here to prove to Searz that I'm right. I'm more concerned that the player base would be disillusioned.

Jun's points were also made without ever trying what I suggested. So how is he supposed to know if it works or not?

There was ABSOLUTELY shooting down. You really don't remember the thread at all if you think there was no shooting down. That's the whole reason I went on for pages and pages.

JunSupport argues hard on topics he knows nothing about. I can only assume he is either ignorant and misinformed or simply bad at this game as a result.

He's never shy to tell people what he thinks about a person, mock them, shoot them down, be an all around unpleasant person. So neither am I when I speak of him. If people think it's rude that I treat a jerk like a jerk, that's unfortunate. I think more people should treat him like a jerk. That's just what I think though.

I don't find it mean or presumptuous to say that about Jun after simply watching the way he carries himself. You call me mean, yet you in particular put players down often, flat out calling people bad on a very regular basis.

It doesn't matter if they ARE bad Searz, you have an attitude like nobody is worth giving the time of day and you go around these forums flippantly disregarding people's opinions and statements because you THINK they are not correct without ever even trying them.

If that's not mean and presumptuous then I don't know what is.

Now we can play the blame game and try to point fingers and say this and that, but I'm just letting you know in a clear manner, I did not come to this forum to argue with Searz and JunSupport and/or any other Vets.

You don't have to like me, you don't have to agree with me, you can support anybody you want in these topics of discussion, etc.

But, please understand that when I really dig my feet in about something, it's because I'm speaking via personal experience, and I am not a low skill player who is playing against low skill opponents.

Over time all the things I speak strongly about will be proven to be true. Olaf already has, I think Vayne is up next, and Warmogg's I don't know. People might not realize how strong it is for a while because they assume you have to build Atma's with it for some reason, but eventually people will figure out that it's strong as a stand alone as well.

You can already see top level players maxing Silver bolts by the way, it's been brought to my attention that in all recent tournaments where Vayne was used, Silver Bolts was maxed first.

I wouldn't have to go on for pages and pages if you guys would just take the things I say seriously the first time I say them.

Maybe even ask me some questions instead of just telling me why you think I'm wrong. "Duff, how does skilling SB works?" That would be a better way to go about it than "No, maxing Condemn is better because 'X' reasons."

As if I had never considered to max Condemn.

Anyway, my point is just this, Olaf has been proven, that can be blamed on the buffs but I was saying he's OP from THE DAY he got the buffs to his E, and it's taken until NOW like within the past week or two for people to catch on. Yet I've been saying it all along.

Vayne, same story. I've been saying it for ages and people haven't caught on yet here in MobaFire.

Warmogg's, same story. Yet when we do inhouse games everyone's like holy christ Duff you're so tanky~ Derrrrr.

I don't dig in unless I have reason to dig in. I ask questions and try to learn as much as I can about the game. I do have information that would benefit the players of the community, and when met with resistance, I will argue and debate until my points are heard and taken seriously, because they are legitimate points.

That is all~

Can you guys PM each other regarding this matter?
I'm pretty sure this thread has anything regarding to what you guys are discussing, except where and how this little argument started in the first place.

It's highly entertaining actually. In a good way. Unfortunately mobafire forums are far away from the level of ie. elitistjerks. This is a different situation given it's pvp only game where calculations and theorycrafting are not enough because of constantly evolving meta-game so it's harder to actually argue on that base. We can try to do it but only raw gameplay can yield the correct results. Therefore you guys need to push harder cuz not many people actually have time/money to spend just to check that stuff out and while your title (veterans/pro) gave you the position to have an opinion of somewhat higher value it doesn't relieve you from going further. Want to judge, be responsible cause many people are trying to learn.

I wouldn't rant here but time has shown that many people here doesn't have balls to do that. Even moderators. Try searching for information about Lanewick and see how many people criticized the concept. I don't have to tell you what happened on S1 finals.

A note regarding the argument Duff and Searz are having: I must admit that the way Duff shares his experience is sometimes misleading (like:notsureiftroll) and sometimes informations he provides lack a good explanation but he definitely has more intuition and sense of the game which has been proven many times in many games. You might be better players but exploring the system isn't only about perfect execution.

EDIT:typos etc.

^_^;

I don't try to troll~ Lol!

Sorry if it comes off that way.

You never lay out any reasoning. Any good reasoning that is.


No. YOU ARE WRITING WALLS OF TEXT.
Try writing a short response if you respond to this. Please. I'm asking kindly.


Not from me at the very least, because I clearly stated that I don't care enough about Vayne to bother trying.
I just agreed with Jun because his arguments made sense.


Talk like that to their face, not behind their backs. Even if they are jerks.


I'm usually kidding, lol.
It seems you have trouble seeing if people are serious or not. We all (including Toshabi) laughed when you took one of Toshabi's obvious "troll" comments seriously.


Link?


Erm... are you reading what I'm saying? That is EXACTLY what I've been saying --.--

I always say it to their face. Right from the moment that whatever happens does in fact happen. That's part of why so many people don't like me is because I say things to people's faces. If I say it to their face, then I can say it whenever I want.

Have you ever seen me run around talking about people behind their backs and not in front of them? I'm no weasel.

Sure I did. I laid out number, theories, I laid out tons of good reasoning. It was simply ignored or not read. That's whoever's ignoring/not reading it's fault, not mine.

Very well, you didn't shoot it down then, but other's did, and you were agreeing with the opinions of those that were shooting it down. What's the difference? If you haven't tried it why even bother agreeing? You don't have personal experience and if you haven't seen what I'm suggesting in action then what's the point in even supporting the other person?

I'm reading what you're saying. It seems you haven't been reading what I'm saying though. Very well.

I write walls of text to make sure my point cannot be misunderstood. It's just what I do~

Soraka's in a weird place right now. The rework kinda pushed her away from support, but not hard enough into AP carry to be that great at it. I think sending her bot with someone tanky enough to take a hit is the way to go. :)

As for the random argument I've just now read....the two of you are acting just the same. You both have some valid points and then you attack each other (and possibly other people) which kind of nullifies any point you made. In the end, you both have good arguments, so there's really no need to go attacking each other about other random things :]