World of Warcraft's new commercial

[quote=Temzilla][quote=LaronX] WoW... *sigh* It was awsm with Clasic and good with BC. But everything after ...guys if you started with WotLK you don't know the WoW i loved once. The game got bad...really bad you just don't know it. The game may be still average but i just is not anymore what it was meant to be. [/quote] Classic was SHITTY. I played it, i would know. BC was the best overall expansion, WotLK and Cata both being progressively better in the leveling/pvp departments, and WotLK being a let down for Content other than Ulduar, which was glorious. [quote=caucheka]but a lot of these business decisions happened after they joined activision. i mean fuck, wow came out in 2004 and will have 4 expansions now. it took a few years for bc and wotlk, then we get a expansion every year.[/quote] You just fell into the Blizzard trap. Activision is mainly there for the money. The advertising, and other such financial deals is activision. The content? That's all Blizzard. But the trap, is that you just say "oh that's Evil Activision pulling Blizzard's puppet strings!". Blizzard WANTS you to think that Activision is controlling them, because it gives them the license to do whatever they want, and take no responsibility for their bad actions. They fall into the Activision scapegoat, and Activision does nothing, because they are Activision, EVERYONE hates them. It's like i said earlier, Blizzard is calculative as fuck, they don't do something unless they know they can get away with it.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Temzilla] Holy shit, are people REALLY this dumb? o_o Blizzard doesn't give two fucks about WoW. If it went F2P that would RUIN THEM. Their current scheme/plan is to soak as much cash from WoW as possible in order to get money for D3, SC3, and Warcraft 4 if they plan to make those games, Titan as well. They aren't putting millions of dollars into developing content for WoW, because it isn't a priority. They are losing players because they have no content updates, but An advert featuring chuck norris is "desperation"? No, it's fucking easy money. Chuck Norris is 71 years old, and you think getting an old, out of work(relative to being Chuck Norris) actor to do an advertisement is "desperation"? This isn't a cry out to get more people playing the game, it's a cry to get more subscribers. Just like the "Year of WoW" is. You sign up for 12 months of recurring WoW, and are gaurenteed access to the Mists of Pandaria beta, you get a $25 value mount, and you receive Diablo 3 for free. So, you pay $140-160 for a Year of WoW, beta Access, D3, and a $25 FREE mount. Basically, Blizzard is getting thousands of people to subscribe for a year (You can't contractually stop in the middle.). Blizzard isn't desperate. Blizzard is calculative as fuck. [/quote] It is deserpation when you realize the only thing Chuck Norris has going for him is his meme, which he actually depises, and WoW has lost over 3 million players in the last year or so (don't quote me on that, just hearsay) I can guarantee that not 100% of the game's current subscriber population bought WoW's 1year deal for Diablo III I also know that when a game is having extremely good looking sales, or really starts to ramp up their marketing - It means their game is rotting. [b]A good game doesn't need good marketing - It just needs to be good.[/b] If a game starts marketing itself hard AND it's player base is dropping rapidly, that's desperation. A good game starts up with promotions here and there, and web ads - It's true popularity comes from hear-say. When I played my first MMO - It wasn't cause I read about it in a stupid magazine. It was because my friends were playing it. P2P isn't as profitable as F2P - Blizzard has the resources to stall their decay, but the switch-over is inevitable. Case and Point: HoN -> LoL broke them, hahaha. But, WoW is much bigger, that means it'll take longer for them to roll over. The 1 year sale will probably buy them about 1~2 years. They will keep dropping, but Blizzard is smart enough to know that they'll have to convert before they lose half their subscribers. I'm not dumb, you just don't know a thing about marketing or reading the atmosphere.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Temzilla] Blizzard isn't desperate. Blizzard is calculative as fuck. [/quote] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] ^^ You mean they have amazing business sense and know how to exploit people for their money while offering a relatively fair trade. Yup, that's why I love them and hate them ALL at once. [/quote] [quote=Luther3000] I found it boring as all hell. [/quote] Three cheers good gentlemen. Three cheers.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]@Temzilla: Everyone has their own opinion, and I wont say BC was that bad either, but actually playing WoW since Vanilla and saying it was "shitty" compared to the addons, makes you just another mainstream guy. I dont want to stumble over that mainstream, but just keep on stuttering about "calculative Blizz" while blindy following the big shiny flashing lights. Dont mind those Blizz guys emptying your pockets while youre at it. @JunSupport: Im with you on the "they know WoW looses steadily subscribers and they want to squeeze the last drop of money out of them"-part, but before they actually turn WoW into f2p they'll shut it down comletely and establish sth that will take its place (Sb posted Titan isnt going to do that. Yeah right...) P2p isnt that lackluster, there's just no competition in that branch anymore. Blizz owns by far the biggest thing out their, and they want you to pay for it, simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=JunSupport] Case and Point: HoN -> LoL broke them, hahaha. But, WoW is much bigger, that means it'll take longer for them to roll over. The 1 year sale will probably buy them about 1~2 years. They will keep dropping, but Blizzard is smart enough to know that they'll have to convert before they lose half their subscribers. I'm not dumb, you just don't know a thing about marketing or reading the atmosphere. [/quote] HoN is an adaptation of a completely free mod of a $20 game, LoL is an adaptation of a free mod, that is also free. That's not a good comparison to WoW, which is the majority powerhouse, was founded off of a game with equal cost, and all expectations of a MMORPG are for it to be a P2P game or it's of sub-par quality. You are comparing a single case, which has very little in common with another case, and making it a point in your argument. I feel really bad for you if you think F2P is a better pay model than P2P for a game as large as World of Warcraft. Not to mention the fact that WoW already has a "Cash Shop" where they sell cosmetic items in game.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Darcurse] @Temzilla: I dont want to stumble over that mainstream, but just keep on stuttering about "calculative Blizz" while blindy following the big shiny flashing lights. Dont mind those Blizz guys emptying your pockets while youre at it. [/quote] I don't currently subscribe to WoW, aside from the money i payed to pre-order and pre-purchase Diablo 3, and play in the Mists of Pandaria beta. I signed up for a year, but i'm not currently playing, nor do i really care at the moment for World of Warcraft, I'm just commenting on Blizzard as a company. Also, from a mechanics standpoint, Classic is the most basic, crude, of all the states of the game. All of the PvP was very Rock/Paper/Scissors, and all of the PvE was either piss easy, or it's mechanics were so obtuse and farfetched, that only the most elite of raiding guilds could ever hope to spend enough time to learn all the endless phases, and different mechanics. The whole game was a mess compared to the current stuff. At it's time, the game was awesome, but what's left of the Classic content is terrible in comparison.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse][quote=Temzilla] I don't currently subscribe to WoW, aside from the money i payed to pre-order and pre-purchase Diablo 3, and play in the Mists of Pandaria beta. I signed up for a year, ... [/quote] No further questions your Honour... And the Classic WoW part: Ofc Classic was more bugged than any of its follower... Ofc Blizz was missing essential Know-How since it was one hell of a gaming-coup, while they did it for the first time. Ok, PvP was totally unbalanced, I give you that, but since it was nothing more than an addon IMO (make ppl who add up in a group fight each other... lol...) I couldnt care less. Just some little points that made Classic vanilla: -One big world. The amount of extra land decreased with every addon -You had to work your way to the top. It was hell for sb new to reach lvl60 while skill his jobs (you could actually use selfmade low level craft equip!), after that your not "endgame" youre just one guy in ragged clothes adoring those full dungeon equipped guys adoring those raid equipped guys. Only carrying MC weapons made you awesome (dont mention Thunderfury...) -There WAS Difficult lvl, even 5 men dungeons were tough. -You could feel the work/ideas the creators squeezed in nearly every inch of the game. Just taking "Scholomance" for example. Huge ass, great atmosphere, bosses are spawned/events triggered only with certain quests, you need a tactic on every pull, boss fights can be a great experience but dont have to be maddeningly complicated/ stuffed with special effects,own sets, they implemented a [b]switch concealed as torch[/b] opening a door somewhere else in the dungeon giving you some rnd bonus loot!(!!), questing there gave you a trinket that allowed you to see/speak/trade with ghosts in the town that surrounded Scholo, before that you only heard someone talking while you moved past them... Plainly spoken: Youve got the feeling they rly loved their work back then. And youre right, "whats left" of the classic content is BS. Remodeled/removed and made to skip.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]just throwing this out here. [img]http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/5693540/img/Anonymous/DA2DAO-2.jpg[/img][/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=caucheka] just throwing this out here. [img]http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/5693540/img/Anonymous/DA2DAO-2.jpg[/img] [/quote] That graph made me chuckle.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]DA:O was a masterpiece while DA2 was a shame.[/quote]