COUNTER PICKING

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Khazem] ^ Vayne's weakness is by far her laning phase, pretty much any AD has a better laning phase than Vayne and good AD players will punish her for that pretty hard [/quote] Honestly once you have 4-5 points in Silver Bolts her lane phase becomes really strong. I don't have the same experience with Vayne that other players seem to have. I think she's strong all game. She does lose some lanes early on up till level 6. At that point she can start to take the lane back for herself.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I suck with vayne pretty much all game except for a bit of the ealry game[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]I kind of facepalmed at your post Tem...so wrong... Soraka counters Karthus. Also Zilean in lane. Uhm, Nasus is a soft counter to Singed in lane. Renekton counters Nasus hard in lane. Nasus counters WW and Alistar in lane. Gragas and Janna counter AoE teams. Tsric is a check to MF. dat's all I got off the top of my head.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ Lol wut da... Ren doesn't counter Nasus... And I don't think Nasus is a soft counter to Singed either o_o And I don't think Nasus counters WW either LOL.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Thalia Kael] I suck with vayne pretty much all game except for a bit of the ealry game [/quote] Well that's different >:D[/quote]

[quote=ConMasterFlash]http://www.leagueofstats.com/champions/counters In general there are some good ones on here. Although there are alot that have more to do with random chance than anything (Anivia counters Yorick because... uh...).[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=DuffTime] Honestly once you have 4-5 points in Silver Bolts her lane phase becomes really strong. I don't have the same experience with Vayne that other players seem to have. I think she's strong all game. She does lose some lanes early on up till level 6. At that point she can start to take the lane back for herself. [/quote] That depends I guess. If she does well enough and manages to keep up with the other AD untill level 6, she'll do fine. However, alot of AD carries can crush her pretty hard before level 6, sometimes getting a level ahead in which case Vayne will be having trouble for the rest of the laning phase. I feel like all strong AD carries right now (Cait, Trist, Graves, Sivir) all have a much stronger early game than Vayne and can (if played well) shut her down pretty hard. Buuuttt... if you don't shut her down hard enough in the early game, you're screwed. (she's kinda like the Nasus of the AD carries I feel)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well. I have legit never been shut down with Vayne so hard that I couldn't come back. I don't think she's like Nasus at all, I think she's like the Akali of AD carries. She's always a threat, has tons of damage in her skills even with bad gear, and 3-4 kills can snowball a game past recovery.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]Weeelll maybe you were just much better than the AD carries you were up against :> I'm pretty sure if both AD's are about equally skilled, Vayne will lose the lane I guess that's also why she's so strong in solo queue... people are too scared of her and don't know they can beat her so she ends up stomping everyone.. /shrug[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I don't agree. I barely even agree on a basic level. I don't believe it's possible for a player of equal skill to shut Vayne down so hard that she can never come back. I believe the players in solo queue, and TOURNAMENT play, are -unable- to shut her down that hard. Because the reality is, if you just simply skill Silver Bolts first, then you crush faces. You cannot trade with a Vayne that level Silver bolts as a squishy AD carry type. You would have to pick a meaty champion like Jarvan, and even then, how is he going to win the lane? It's the same Catch22 we saw for ages with Akali. If you can't shut her down, she rapes you. Well eventually people learned how to play her correctly and suddenly you couldn't shut her down anymore, meaning she just rapes you by default. Well, Vayne is not to the extent that Akali was because Akali had more bullshit tools, but Vayne is a really big problem, that's for sure. Her lane is not as weak as you feel it is.[/quote]