holy balls vayne nerfs

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Luther3000] Kog'Maw, Ashe off the top of my head. Vayne has a short distance low cooldown blink with stealth on it, and she can knock back one person chasing her. That's more escaping ability than a lot of AD carries. Something Guardsman said: Vayne does around the same amount of damage as Kog'Maw, but Kog has absolutely nothing to escape with and is incredibly squishy whereas Vayne can be very difficult to catch. [/quote] But kog has much longer range than vayne! Ashe is not really that viable.. She's lackluster in damage and only offers utility(worst carry in the game imo) Edit: Just to make it clear: Vayne IS op, just not "uncounterable". And she's if not THE then one of the ad-carries which needs her team to be build around her(maybe with mf as an exception)[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]But if someone jumps on Kog or sneaks around to get to him, he's fucked. Even if he has QSS he can't resposition himself or the enemy. If someone jumps on Vayne, Vayne tumbles away and Es them into the middle of her team. Honestly she has more ability to escape then even Caitlyn or Graves do.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime](never thought of it that way though. yet the last part stands for other AA'ers as well) No actually strong right clickers break armor values easily with I.E, LW, and enough crit and AS. Any full geared AD carry will easily kill even well armored targets. Armor is BEST at countering physical damage spells. Dodge was best vrs right clickers but it's gonna be a whole different game soon enough... [quote=Luther3000] But if someone jumps on Kog or sneaks around to get to him, he's fucked. Even if he has QSS he can't resposition himself or the enemy. If someone jumps on Vayne, Vayne tumbles away and Es them into the middle of her team. Honestly she has more ability to escape then even Caitlyn or Graves do. [/quote] Yeah I'd say she's on par with Cait but not on Graves's level. And I agree she's way better than Ashe and Kog in those respects.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=DuffTime] No actually strong right clickers break armor values easily with I.E, LW, and enough crit and AS. Any full geared AD carry will easily kill even well armored targets. [/quote] that's what i said.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Luther3000] But if someone jumps on Kog or sneaks around to get to him, he's fucked. Even if he has QSS he can't resposition himself or the enemy. If someone jumps on Vayne, Vayne tumbles away and Es them into the middle of her team. Honestly she has more ability to escape then even Caitlyn or Graves do. [/quote] That's why she's a pubstomper and even more op in solo-quee than in premades. Cuz kog maw won't have as much support in solo-quee as he will in premades.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Well, in that instance I think Guardsman was talking specifically about Warwick's ultimate. You're right if you're talking about someone at long range trying to walk up to him, but I'm thinking more of a gapcloser tanky DPS champion, probably with some CC. AD carries will not win against a tanky DPS right on top of them unless they can kite like a boss with escape ablities or they're fed. A full geared AD carry just doesn't exist until late game. Edit: Not sure if you were talking to me or Polse. :P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Pølsemanden] that's what i said. [/quote] Ah okie. Understood you backwards.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]vayne is fucked as well(if not even more) if warwick jumps her with his ulty... Vayne is easier to reach with a gapcloser cuz shorter range.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well cleanse and QSS are obvious Vayne summoner and item choices as well...[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Pølsemanden] vayne is fucked as well(if not even more) if warwick jumps her with his ulty... Vayne is easier to reach with a gapcloser cuz shorter range. [/quote] -Vayne uses QSS or an ally uses CC on Warwick -Vayne Tumbles away -Vayne Condemns Warwick away Kog'Maw can only do the first part of that, he still has to deal with Warwick chasing him and zoning him from the fight. Again, Cleanse and QSS can be taken on anyone, but combined with Vayne's kit in particular they make her harder to catch than most other carries while also dealing by far the most damage.[/quote]