holy balls vayne nerfs

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Zeprido] Strongly considering Vayne as one of my AD carries for solo queue. [/quote] Damage and invis are equally viable in organized play as well :)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Xenasis] Vayne's fine imo. [/quote] A slight nerf to the flat damage on the ult at 2nd and max rank would be justified IMHO. 5 damage rank 2 and 10 rank 3 would be a sizeable and serious hit and would really put her in a place where realistically she probably belongs..?[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]@Duff Quite aware of that, but solo queue is more of a measure of good players vs good players, if one team has 2 good players and the other team has 3-4, the chances of the team with 2 decrease, of course, there are other factors to include, but I over simplified it a bit. Vayne in a good player's hand is worth 1.5-2 good players imo. Preys on mistakes so very well.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]See the logic, not sure what think :P[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]@Everyone saying Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Dodge, or using CC and focusing her counters Vayne This is a catch-all argument. Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Dodge and CC/Focus counters [i]any[/i] AD carry. It means nothing as regards her power level compared with other AD champs.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You're right, but it is a bit different, to be fair. Randuins Vrs Vayne > Randuin's Vrs Caitlyn... FH Vrs Vayne > FH vrs Caitlyn.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Vayne without some serious business protection is a dead vayne against a organized team(which is why that any pro-team running vayne in a comp build their team around her) In a non organized environment however her kit is just overpowered. And i really think that she needs a nerf on her mid game damage since that is pretty darn heavy, and with a good alistar on the bot-lane almost ensures a kill. That's what i think put her over the top! Not her late game capabilities, since her late-game capabilities are shut down quite hard against a good team..[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Luther3000] @Everyone saying Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Dodge, or using CC and focusing her counters Vayne This is a catch-all argument. Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Dodge and CC/Focus counters [i]any[/i] AD carry. It means nothing as regards her power level compared with other AD champs. [/quote] Luther, although i see ur point, it's not quite as valid, since that vayne will always be in range of a frozen heart and the randuins, tristana or caitlyn might not be in that range due to their longer range. Also vayne is THE ad carry relying most on AS/Crit, and Randuins and Frozen heart focuses one of her core components.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Yes, but it irritates me how people keep saying shit like, 'oh, she's fine if you buy X item' when said item is a general counter to AD carries. It's true that Frozen Heart will reduce Vayne's damage output, but it'll do the exact same to any other champion. It's meaningless to say that because it lowers her DPS she is not OP. She will still be doing more damage than just about any other AD carry would do in the same situation.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Luther: Double posting is for normal ppl, i triple post! :D[/quote]