CURSE vs. SK Game Discussion

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Last hits can be done by anyone. It's the timing with each character's animation that makes it a challenge.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Temzilla] 1. Ahri's Q, W, E all outrange Ryze's Q/W/E by at least 125 range. 2. Ahri has a significantly better auto attack animation for last hitting than ryze. 3. Ahri has built in sustain. 4. Ryze has mana problems. 5. Ryze can't last hit under tower, Ahri doesn't need to because she has high damage AoE spells that are low mana cost. There are 5 reasons why ahri beats ryze in lane. [/quote] 1; This might be valid for the match up. 2; That doesn't matter, even Anivia can farm if you know how. 3; Ryze has better sustain for fighting, which means a lot. Ahri's is good for long wars of attrition. 4; Ryze has mana problems wut. 5; I think Ryze can last hit well enough under tower personally o: [/quote] I was speaking of the laning phase. In the late game, Ryze counters everyone, he's the best tanky dps in the entire game by a bit. I was basically stating that, Ahri wins the range battle, the last hit under tower battle, the sustain battle, the mana attrition battle, and the "go to gank other lanes" battle. There isn't anything in Ryze's kit that allows him to beat a good Ahri player that every other champion can't do just as well. This is in regards to "oh but if you dodge her skillshots she doesn't do any damage." Well surprisingly, there are not only champions that do this better, but there are also 88 other champions who are able to buy boots as a starting item and do well.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Ryze has basically infinite mana once he gets Tear. Which should be as a first item - sometimes I even get it before boots.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah I dunno. I don't really see that lane of Ahri vs Ryze being what you're saying it is Tem :P[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]Maybe you guys don't play as aggressively as me on Ryze. I will rush tear, get a second mana crystal, and still run out of mana after a good 30 seconds in lane.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I don't play him much. Just conceptually when I consider the kits of both champs, I have a hard time seeing Ahri really coming out on top.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] Last hits can be done by anyone. It's the timing with each character's animation that makes it a challenge. [/quote] True. I just feel that Ahri's Auto Attack, as well as her higher base attack speed lends itself to better farming through auto attacks. Also, her mana regen, and mana costs are lower than that of ryze's. I just feel that Ryze Vs Ahri is very slanted towards ahri.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I coulda sworn I heard a high elo player say Ryze counters Ahri.[/quote]