Getting out of Elo hell.

[quote=viper459][quote=Darcurse] [quote=Xenasis] If you're an amazing player, as much as you say you are, your team has a smaller chance of doing worse. It's general maths. [/quote] I'm not covering for OP (well, I dont even know him) or anything, but srsly: Why do you guys fail to accept the, lets pick one of your phrases, "proven" fact, that ^THIS lower chance could happen more often than the higher one on a random individual? MEANING (Watch out!) That even with the "fact" that somebody could reach his correct Elo, he HAS to play harder and more often with more setbacks than in a game that would be 1on1. Thus creating sth that some ppl correctly claim to be "Elo hell". And with that in mind, this setback could be even worse, not letting you reach your Elo in the whole season. And srsly @ Xenasis: Your little post-its show is totally messed up logic. Stating the sentence: "So you could think distripution is pure luck" while suggesting that it IS pure luck giving yourself only slightly better odds. [/quote] of course it COULD happen, but if arguments can include COULD these days this forum has really degraded. the point is, the law of large numbers dictates you WILL reach the elo you were meant for, IF you play enough games. IF the fact is that your elo is not increasing, than you are simply overestimating your own ability.[/quote]

[quote=Yagamoth][quote=Darcurse] COULD suggests that it IS happening.[/quote] Actually, it represents that it has the CHANCE of happening [/quote] The odds therefore arent that bad either.[/quote] --> 44.44..% chance isn't bad at all. Yet the other chance is higher [quote] And like I said, taking that into account its more than likely possible to reach ones Elo, but there's also a slight chance that you won't. [/quote] I claim, that one will never reach his "true Elo" without any luck. Reason for that is simply, that the nearer you get to your "true Elo", the lower your chances get of winning. If your true Elo is 1300 and you are at 1299, then theoretically spoken your influence to WIN the game has a value of "1 Elo point", which doesn't really increase your chance of winning, does it? Here you require luck.. It's about 50/50 [quote] But you ppl talk about that like it WON'T happen at any given time/environment and that's outight wrong. [quote] That even with the "fact" that somebody could reach his correct Elo, he HAS to play harder and more often with more setbacks than in a game that would be 1on1. [/quote]= "Elo Hell" [/quote] I don't quite understand what you mean, but I guess I already covered that ;) I've read through the thread and noticed a clear tendency: 1. The OP didn't know whether kills or actual wins matter for the Elo rating 2. People tell him, that he simply has to get many kills (to win games) to increase his Elo rating 3. He thinks now, that it's mostly about kills, even if he knows now that these don't matter for Elo rating 4. OP still has a severe losing streak 5. People try to help him further with suggestions 6. No one noticed, that the OP is most likely very new to this game and lacks the very_basics (which are so much of a second nature to many people, they don't notice, that somebody maybe doesn't know about them) @OP: Please consider the following points - Kills are important, gather as many as you can - It's also important to help out team mates EARLY, so they don't fall behind - However, you don't win games by killing enemies, you win them by destroying towers -> Inhibs -> Nexus - This means, if you are destroying your lane opponent, take his tower and push further, push as far as possible, so the enemies HAVE to care about you and your other lanes are relieved - Winning your lane is NOT "good", it's "expected" -> You can always DO MORE to win, you are not restricted to your lane - Take map objectives - Red, Blue and Dragon (Lead your teams to them if necessary) - Keep your last-hit count as high as possible (your goal is 200 cs at 20min) - Don't die while doing the above (don't die at all) - You HAVE TO PERFORM WELL EVERY SINGLE GAME - Stop playing ranked if you lose twice in a row due to your team mates. Chances are you are frustrated/mad and won't be able to play well enough (see the 5th point again) - You can always improve yourself. Once you reach a certain point of "being good" you can suddenly win low elo games single handedly (it's WORK to get there) - And: It's NORMAL to have "bad players" in your team, ignore them and simply exploit the enemy bad players Sidenote 1: The Chart is 100% correct, no matter what you say - it's nothing but maths.. Sidenote 2: It's a [b]matter of opinion[/b] whether "Elo Hell" exists or not. Saying it doesn't exist is like saying Rock music sounds bad. Argueing over this is pointless, if I don't like it, I don't like it. If Elo Hell exists for me, it does exist. Objectively said, it's not a defined Elo-Range, it's a state of mind. Sidenote 3: I remember HSGG saying, that he could easily destroy these noobs by playing other Champions, however it wouldn't be fun simply destroying them using these. He wasn't stuck.[/quote]

[quote=Nethalas]It's not a matter of you reaching your elo. You will reach your elo, it's just a question of how long. The odds are simple, do the maths. 4 potential worse players on your team vs. 5 on theirs. The probability that your team can be naturally worse for tens or hundreds of games is practically zero.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]COULD suggests that it IS happening. The odds therefore arent that bad either. And like I said, taking that into account its more than likely possible to reach ones Elo, but there's also a slight chance that you won't. But you ppl talk about that like it WON'T happen at any given time/environment and that's outight wrong. [quote] That even with the "fact" that somebody could reach his correct Elo, he HAS to play harder and more often with more setbacks than in a game that would be 1on1. [/quote]= "Elo Hell"[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]@Yagamoth Not quite sure if you're rly against what I'm saying, everything you told me is "so-so"...? But only taking Xenasis 44-55 odds into account: Since if you arent trolling you'll always work to reach the ELo you deserve. Every game you have a ~44% that your team is, lets say, "sabotaged" not letting you fight/win/getting ranked for your real potential. So even with 1% chances it could be happening, while 44% states that there ARE many ppl out there suffering/struggling to reach their Elo, thus creating "Elo Hell". And since I couldnt quite get what you meant with that 1 Elo point, let me make it clear: While there are many ppl who stagger around their true Elo (-200/+200 easy possible) there ARE some who will rise and fall not reaching their destinied, let's say, 1.5k while stumbling around the 1.2k area. Regarding that, you're right: It is a matter of opinion, since some ppl will call it "normal". IMO fluctuating through the Elo range until you'll finally waver around a fix point is indeed normal, but LoL's Solo queue amplifies this phenomenon way beyond the limit. Btw: What happened to rough up the forum that bad?[/quote]

[quote=timesource1]No i'm not saying that i should reach 2000 elo. At least 1400 - 1500 bracket. And it's decreasing. T_T And i apologize for ranting like hell because it was really depressing. I'm not used to losing so much. Imagine... getting kills, pushing turrets... and then still losing. Oh wait i think i know why people don't get it. I am in the Philippine server. Most summoners here think that: --LOL is all about killing. It's not. It's about strategy. I've proven in many games that even if my opponents have say 55 total kills and my team only has 35, we still win because of TIMING. And most of the time, I'm the one who directs my team. That and my BF (who is such an outstanding Rammus, Udyr and Nassus) used to play LOL. Sad part was he got addicted to Aion - couldn't get him to start playing LOL again. My other friend, Nix is such a great PVP player (Riven and Nunu); however he doesn't pass by the internet shop anymore. I usually play Cait, Karma or Sona. When the 3 of us play a 5v5, we NEVER lose. Seriously. NEVER. -- And the players have this weird habit. My champ dominates easily during early game. As Cait, I push mighty well. Once the first lane of turret defense goes down, my teammates wander around and start farming. WHAT?? WHAT?? Even if there is that opportunity to push and win, they jungle until forever. You ping. You plead. And they still jungle. and gank. and gank and gank. As the minutes pass on, our opponents are in the same lvl as our team (so much for my hard work with keeping them underlvl) and end up blaming each other (and me) for losing. T_T I was starting to wonder if i should change my playing style based on a Filipino's mindset. I've noticed that if my team dominates early game, the team ends up in a relaxed state of mind that will not attack despite pleading and pinging. If my team starts up as harassed, it ends up in an attack mode that will eventually overpower (but then again, that depends on ur team). I stopped playing Normal games because I hoped that Ranked games will be filled with people who understand the purpose of: 1. Timing - changes the outcome of the game even if ur opponent started out as dominating 2. Least deaths = weaker opponents : if you don't die (or die less) ur opponents won't become strong. My goal per game is to have 1-5 deaths. 4-5 should rarely happen. 3. Keep ur opponents levels lower than urs. I've proven this because there was this time I had to play 1v5. Technically it was 2v5 but the blitz had a score of 0 3 0 while the remaining 3 were AFK. I was playing Cait mid (i hate going down without a fight) and still ended up 5 2 0. Mind you, my score was 5 0 0 at first. I finally died when all five of them ganked me at my virgin tower... and poured ever single freaking skill on me. 4. Never be greedy: greed is never good. I hate greedy teammates. So what if you got the kill? They got a kill too. 5. Harass - harass = no gold and XP for them. Besides, I hate having a team where a champ will go 1v5. Gosh. Really?? Or teams who will not wait for their support (which is me) before engaging in a clash. I mean don't they even realize that the reason they live was because of my shields or heals or silences or stuns??? What kind of person stays in a lane without a ward when the opponent has a ganker?? That and many others. I got out of normal games because I wanted to play with people who are good at their champs already. Where there is no need to direct people. Where every person knows what to do. I've had these times where i've been with what i call perfect teams. Without saying anything, we know what to do. And when I'm with my bf, well we dominate. It's fun to have perfect teams battling against really good opponents. It's like, at the end of the game, you say: damn that was a good game. I've watched ranked videos and i thought, "Wow. That must be so fun playing LOL with people who know what they're doing... to the point that it's all about having fun playing." Sadly, it looks like i was wrong. Being in ranked does not mean you get those teammates. Ok maybe i was wrong. I was playing Ranked hoping to be with people who loved LOL and understood their champs. The reason why I'm sad that I'm in this "elo hell" because I'm not getting those people. What's the point of doing great with ur champ when your team curse each other? What's the point of dominating when ur team just throws it all away with a greedy moment? So right now, I guess I'm depressed because i didn't realize that people playing Ranked held people who were playing without understanding LOL. I really miss playing with people who know what they were doing. IT was really fun. Here in the Philippines, everyone is obsessed with AION or HON or WOW or etc. Those interested in LOL are high school students :( Is there a way to move to the EU or US server?? XD IMAO XD[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD]Hmmm, the "get AD carries" argument kinda annoys me, mainly because it's not quite accurate while making the problem WORSE. How? Well, bad players who never played carries will try to carry no matter what and people who main this spot wont be able to play it. I actually got above 1300 mainly playing support. DONT EVER THINK OF PLAYING JANNA IN SOLO, but beside that, a well played ali/sona/soraka/taric will give your team some kills easily even if they're not well coordinated, and you can keep the whole map warded. You'll eventually win.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Have you tried backdooring as cait? It might not work, but when it does, it can lead to a 1 man carry :p[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]Normal draft are way more serious and full of "clever" people than low elo ranked game. Even if you meet people who want to train champ/botlane in normal etc, the people usually understand more the game's mechanics.[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]My Custom Match ELO rating is fantastic. SO MUCH POWER.[/quote]