Karma, tanky AP

[quote=Slappiz]So I've been trying to find a valid support build for Karma, but haven't succeeded... And then I joined some of my friends in a dominion game and I picked Karma just to mess around, so I built her like a tanky AP.. And about half way into the game I pressed the tab button to look at the stats, and it hit me... Fuuaarkk, im doing pretty good.. So the idea is to put Karma on the toplane (summoners rift ofc) and build her like a rumble/ryze-hybrid. Would this actually be viable? Here are some examples of how she could be strong on toplane. 1. Her burst is kinda good. 2. She got a solid kit to survive ganks with her shield+slow. 3. Can push a lane hard if she wants to. 4. Kinda good sustain. 5. Her spells is kinda awesome for team fights. If you think about it, she is almost similar to Orianna.. But with shorter range and with a heal instead of that gravity ball thingy.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]That's kinda the "standard" build. Nobody plays her though so, it's not like it's well known. Tanky support items work well too.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Lugignaf] That's kinda the "standard" build. Nobody plays her though so, it's not like it's well known. Tanky support items work well too. [/quote] Well tanky supports item would kinda make her useless if she went top (you should still have a normal support on the botlane building that).. The reason I want to put her top is to go Tanky AP build, I think she could work like a babysitter/AP bruiser in teamfights.. Im pretty sure it could work in a 5v5 premade team, but I'd like to see it in soloque... I got some serious testing ahead of me tomorrow![/quote]

[quote=Somalie]Won't never happen in soloqueue as people would prefer cut their throat and leave the queue than playing with a top/mid karma.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Somalie] Won't never happen in soloqueue as people would prefer cut their throat and leave the queue than playing with a top/mid karma. [/quote] I will do a few games with her on top lane, just to clarify if it's viable or not. If I find myself winning the lane for several games I'd probably would try to master her. But I will need at least 15-20 normal games with this until I decide if I'm going to try it out in solo 1900+ .[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim][quote=Somalie] Won't never happen in soloqueue as people would prefer cut their throat and leave the queue than playing with a top/mid karma. [/quote] Gotta agree with Somalie on this one. I had a blast with Karma on her free week a few months ago, but good luck getting your team to understand you NEED farm to be useful, therefore you can't support bot. I think she's an awesome character (not perfect, but still fun), but trying to cram her into the meta is futile. RIOT should relabel her as an AP mage. That way people might at least give you a chance to mid or top.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Klausenheim] Gotta agree with Somalie on this one. I had a blast with Karma on her free week a few months ago, but good luck getting your team to understand you NEED farm to be useful, therefore you can't support bot. I think she's an awesome character (not perfect, but still fun), but trying to cram her into the meta is futile. RIOT should relabel her as an AP mage. That way people might at least give you a chance to mid or top. [/quote] You wouldn't want to go mid. It's for duo-AP teams. Karma should be built like a AP/tank-hybrid. Been playing a few games top with her now, and I see some potential in this, for real.. Her harass is actually decent (got some ideas that encourage you to skill W early), her sustain is above average and there is no way she can be out pushed. I've noticed that she really shines end game if you been going top, being able to dish out burst waves and at the same time supporting your teammates. It works surprisingly good tbh, even if you have a normal support in the team as well. With some more tweaks in the build and learning to know how to use Karma's spells correctly this might actually be viable for more serious games.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Only problem with that is she works so well mid. People just don't want to let you go there.[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim][quote=Slappiz] You wouldn't want to go mid. [/quote] I'm confused as to why you wouldn't want to go mid.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]People just have no faith in Karma, I guess because so few people are good with her. My first ranked game ever (since the level 30 requirement) was with Karma, 4/3/16. I have tried tanky Karma, [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Will of the Ancients]] [[Frozen Heart]] [[Abyssal Scepter]]. Worked kind of like Mordekaiser, just more useful for keeping her alive as opposed to actually tanking.[/quote]