Maxing the W first for a longer snare dosent do anything since your auto attacks wont make up for the extra damage you lost as if you maxed Q first

thanks for the suggestion 87alphaone it really is helpful for me to find out how other people use and play with their ryze :)

first on the runes about that 5seals you said. ryze not only need mana but also a little health for him to be a little somehow crunchy not squishy heheheh.. i really hate the part that he has low hp at the beginning so im adding up a little to his quintessence and seals.

in the skill order if you use R den Q its a bit drastic, cause not only u've spent your spell vamp in a needy situation but also the cooldown of each skill. i always kept in mind the Arcane Mastery

in masteries i put Greed because ryze doesnt have any splash skills like among those other ap it can also help ryze to have a set item at an early time.

Items - as i said there's an optional item and banshee is included, switching to banshee is needed if there are lots of AP in the opposite side. warmogs gives you tremendous health with a bonus stack of +350 with this you can reach your health up to 4000 which can make your ryze more durable and hard to kill. as for the mana ARC,ROA,FROZEN. even only the three of that item ryze can rwach up to 4000+ mana which is already powerful enough. its a balance build for both offense and defense.

thank you for the +rep 87alphaone i really am thankful for everything. i know that this isn't the perfect build and your suggestions is very helpful u hope more of you will comment and open up their opinion relevant to the ryze build.

Well, Im a bit confused from your guide.

It look pretty nice, with good formating, with nice pictures, but the info is sometimes weird.

At first runes: I think you should just go 3x3x9 small runes and 3x quints. I mean why take 5 seals and 5 other seals. You know what I mean?

Skill order. When I used to play Ryze, it was always R > Q > ... Ulti ofc, and then Overload. All the time. Its damage and passive is so good.

Masteries are...dunno. Is it not better to go 9/0/21 or 21/0/9? Wealth and Greed are good for support, but not for AP carry.

Items - switch Warmogs for Banshee. Warmogs just sucks with Ryze, because it gives you nothing. You have RoA for mana, HPs and AP. Banshee will give you more mana (and you need mana for damage), more HP, some MR (you dont have any MR item in your build). Otherwise the items are good, except for this Warmogs.

Ok, so what now? I give you +rep, cause you put a lot of effort into your guide, but it just can be better. Not on the side of visual appereance, but on the side of info inside.

thank you for the comment i really appreciate it.. this is my first time making a guide so i guess i'm a little bit tupsy turvy from it.. please feel free to suggest if there's anything thats worth criticizing for.. i really would appreciate it.. :))

on behalf of those Madred's Bloodrazor champion i notice most of them are not built as a brick wall such as Shaco, kog maw, Tristana, Teemo and others cause of that they can be easily killed since Ryze mana exceed to 4000+ that'll give a ton of damage to them..

A very messy guide. I'll suggest reorganising and better explanation. And to totally offset your guide, I'll suggest you to never play with possible Madred's Bloodrazor players.