Darius: OP or no?

[quote=tehAsian]I know most of you will say he's not OP, he's just new, blah blah. But I have my reasons as to why he CAN be OP, and why he is not. I'll start with both my reasons: [center][h1]OP[/h1][/center] [list][*]Q does retarded early game damage. 1 Q will take out 1/5 of your health, more if you don't have armor runes. [*]W can nuke for over 1000 raw damage, without crits, late game given you built enough AD. [*]Easily snowball fights with 1k True damage ult. [*]E is AoE pull. [*]Passive assists in chasing: once you're caught, there's practically no getting out. [*]Okayish dueling set. [*]VERY low mana costs, with a decent? mana pool, so he's pretty much free to spam his skills, which do a lot of damage early and late game. [*]Good 'recovery tools' (imb4 steal every kill, farm yourself up to legendary) [/list] [center][h1]Balanced[/h1][/center] [list][*]If a fight doesn't go in his favor, he can't snowball and therefore his ult is (mostly) useless. [*]No hard CC (pull is too short ranged) [*]Hard to actually catch someone unless he/she overextended/out of position, or you use [[ghost]]/[[flash]]/[[exhaust]]/CC [*]No mobility - Easy to gank - falls behind [*]Mid game is kinda bad :/ [*]Q does no damage late game, W does no damage early game, both do medium damage mid game. So he's kinda bad in mid game. [*]Gets called a KSer a lot. [/list] What do you guys think? Right now I think he's pretty strong overall, and needs slight nerfs/changes to his numbers.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]Did you add the "No, strong" answer in response to me? lol If not it's a nice coincidence that we both used that adjective to describe him. Anyway. He can easily be shut down by certain champs. For one I know that I beat him easily with [[kayle]] and [[urgot]] so far. Also while he seems to do a ton of damage if you get focused as him you can't do anything. He is very reliant on people being stupid and targeting the tank and such.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]He's in the same vein as Trynd and Fiora. He does the damages early on. If you can ensure a safe laning phase, you're golden for late game by building pretty much straight damage. He's also really pub-stompy.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i dont really think he needs anything. hes strong but not op.[/quote]

[quote=albableat]My problem is, I haven't even seen a good player playing vs Darius yet... Everyone who did seemed not to even understand how he works. And I can't draw conclusions from watching bads feeding him... If you fed any champ they seem OP, you know.[/quote]

[quote=Mazuran]+/ve: - pubstompy - made of badass - True damage ult - Give him frozen Mallet and watch them try and run away XD - W + Sheen is fun. (W also works on turrets, lulz) - Just buying an Infinity edge makes his ult do silly things, nevermind if you get more AD on top of that... -/ve: - Looooooooong CD on his pull. Which imo is the best part of his kit (tactically speaking) - Passive is neutered by buying a negatron - No natural sustain - Falls off hard late game damage wise unless you've somehow got the farm/kills/facerolling ability to go balls-out AD - No natural escape mech - Looks like an old teacher of mine.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i'd also mention if you're facing a darius it might be a good idea to get a hexdrinker. his passive is magic damage, and hexdrinker should save you from his passive if you manage to escape. its one of the first items i build on him.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]Well, for now he seems quite easy to shut down even if he is fed. I wouldn't hesitate to make an opinion as he is very new char and most people don't know how to build him. Btw I got to admit his Q is a pain in the ass early on.[/quote]

[quote=Xeronn]It's funny how I was pwning in 3v3, all the enemy [[Vayne]] was saying is "No skill" I then proceeded to ace [[Vayne]], [[Swain]] and [[Tryndamere]] in a 1v3. Surrendered at 15, and I had 11/0/1. Not sure if OP, or just pro hmm == Lol, anyway. He is "OP" when people don't know how to fight against him. He is still a tough opponent though. I'm yet to face him myself, using him first gives me an idea on what I need to watch out for. [b]Edit:[/b] Oh, already have a build for him that focuses on early domination, then later built into bad-ass tankiness. [b]Gonna keep this one secret for now :x[/b] @Forgottenduty, My build for [[Darius]] originated from [[Pantheon]], I'll tell only you if you want to see it ;3[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]From what I've seen, he's like [[Riven]] and [[Renekton]], because he needs kills/large CS advantage to snowball into late game. His mid game is pretty bad, and he definitely gets better late game. He just needs a large advantage to accelerate to late game. Personally, I think his E needs to be nerfed. Not the active, the passive. With his E's passive, [[Weapon Expertise]], and [[Last Whisper]] it gives 60% armor pen. It's pretty ridiculous considering that 300 armor gets turned into 120 armor. I think his ult is pretty ridiculous for teamfights, cause it resets if the target dies from it or if the target dies around .5 seconds after being hit. Simply hit the guy who you're team if focusing, and pretty much have an auto refresh. I'd say that he is, sadly, pretty balanced. I want to say OP, but he needs a jump start into his ridiculous late game to become truly OP. At least, from playing him as mostly AD this seems to be the case. If anyone has a tanky kind of build then I'd love to know, so far I haven't found one.[/quote]