How to counter LB?

[quote=Totallynotn00b][quote=cooper56] [quote=Totallynotn00b] [quote=cooper56] Swain we won game any way BTW i did better late game and was tanky as shit and did massive dmg [/quote] E-q her anytime she tries to qw you. you need goodish reactions though. auto attack her after- due to your e, if she sticks around to retaliate AA's, she will lose the trades. If she's the type who just qw-> return immediately, never move the return point. AA her to death. how badly did you lose the lane? [/quote]Cant she would take down 2/4 hp in q if would died. [/quote] Don't get why you say can't. Think about it. In order to [icon=sigil of silence size=40] [icon=distortion size=40] you, due to the nature of [icon=distortion size=40] she has to jump on you. Since the silence only kicks in when [icon=distortion size=40] lands, you have all the time before that (i.e, when she's travelling) to [icon=torment size=40][icon=decrepify size=40] her, no? This is during 1-5, when undoubtedly swain should have the advantage.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Totallynotn00b] [quote=cooper56] [quote=Totallynotn00b] [quote=cooper56] Swain we won game any way BTW i did better late game and was tanky as shit and did massive dmg [/quote] E-q her anytime she tries to qw you. you need goodish reactions though. auto attack her after- due to your e, if she sticks around to retaliate AA's, she will lose the trades. If she's the type who just qw-> return immediately, never move the return point. AA her to death. how badly did you lose the lane? [/quote]Cant she would take down 2/4 hp in q if would died. [/quote] Don't get why you say can't. Think about it. In order to [icon=sigil of silence size=40] [icon=distortion size=40] you, due to the nature of [icon=distortion size=40] she has to jump on you. Since the silence only kicks in when [icon=distortion size=40] lands, you have all the time before that (i.e, when she's travelling) to [icon=torment size=40][icon=decrepify size=40] her, no? This is during 1-5, when undoubtedly swain should have the advantage. [/quote] No she w q then r then even if i land it shes back at her turret wtih her w to back out so q does not work .[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]As lb, I myself often prefer to W into Q as well, and W out fast; less damage but safer all around (depending on them tho). To counter her, you needed to start with Doran's, then go into negatron (I'd do it for Athene's to be honest). People recomend you push, but I think you should only last hit. It'll get stale, if she's aggressive she might push harder than you. Your E should surpass or equalize her Q level 1 (always start with E), go into Q level 2 (damage should be relatively the same, more to you if she eats Q for long), etc. All depends on the Leblanc tho.. I'd play passively and punish her. Occasionally W for her to move. As she pushes, ask for a gank. Force her W. Jungler goes in, her flash goes out. If she's out of flash or tries to do stuff, damage as much as possible, and E into ignite.[/quote]

[quote=albableat]Yes, of course that could be the case. I experienced it the other way around lol[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=FalseoGod] To counter her, you needed to start with Doran's, then go into negatron (I'd do it for Athene's to be honest). [/quote] Sounds pretty sketchy. Lb's harass is strong as well, not just her burst. You have no way of sustaining pre-6. Also, Negatron Cloak doesn't build into Athene's.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]I think a [[catalyst the protector]] and a couple of ganks is fine...[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]stack more MR. ask for early ganks to shut her down. win![/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=FalseoGod] To counter her, you needed to start with Doran's, then go into negatron (I'd do it for Athene's to be honest). [/quote] Sounds pretty sketchy. Lb's harass is strong as well, not just her burst. You have no way of sustaining pre-6. Also, Negatron Cloak doesn't build into Athene's. [/quote] I meant null-magic. I dunno, if I do null-magic with my current Swain mastery settings (21/9) at level 1, I have 60 MR (that would mean no hp tho). You just want to make sure you can trade back hard. Another thing that helps is snaring with Nevermore, since she cannot W into you (dodge that E and no silence will annoy you)[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]Simple answer, [[Mordekaiser]][/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b][quote=cooper56] [quote=Totallynotn00b] [quote=cooper56] [quote=Totallynotn00b] [quote=cooper56] Swain we won game any way BTW i did better late game and was tanky as shit and did massive dmg [/quote] E-q her anytime she tries to qw you. you need goodish reactions though. auto attack her after- due to your e, if she sticks around to retaliate AA's, she will lose the trades. If she's the type who just qw-> return immediately, never move the return point. AA her to death. how badly did you lose the lane? [/quote]Cant she would take down 2/4 hp in q if would died. [/quote] Don't get why you say can't. Think about it. In order to [icon=sigil of silence size=40] [icon=distortion size=40] you, due to the nature of [icon=distortion size=40] she has to jump on you. Since the silence only kicks in when [icon=distortion size=40] lands, you have all the time before that (i.e, when she's travelling) to [icon=torment size=40][icon=decrepify size=40] her, no? This is during 1-5, when undoubtedly swain should have the advantage. [/quote] No she w q then r then even if i land it shes back at her turret wtih her w to back out so q does not work . [/quote] Key part of what I said was that it was for 1-5. even if she w-q you, she's still putting herself into range for your retaliatory harass. Post six? Use your own ult to heal the damage she does. Literally. She makes a move onto you, turn It on, stay by the minions. Unless you've done something horribly stupid, she won't be able to kill you. Furthermore, starting without boots is pretty damn stupid vs Lb - A) if she started boots, she's now free to engage you as she sees fit, which ties into B) since she's definitely not the pushing type, you're now even more prone to ganks. Rushing the Athene's unholy grail may actually be a good move as swain vs lb. Haven't actually tested it yet though. Just to clarify, you were asking for help as Swain vs lb, as opposed to general counter lb tips?[/quote]