Darius: OP or no?

[quote=Luther3000]Regardless of how strong he is, in my opinion his ultimate was a bad idea from the very start. I mean come on, a massive true damage nuke that refreshes on kills? It's just lame and very annoying from a gameplay standpoint, and I'm confused why they went with it. The guy seems a lot like Garen/Xin/Yi if they were actually strong.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=NinjaGinge] lol duff. its not a mystery why you die. its the fact that with his grab and twirl you already have two stacks and all of a sudden you cant go in to last hit safely if you're a melee champ edit. he's still not op. the sheer damage from his kit and passive just make him a good counter to a lot of melee tops [/quote] Actually, after he grabs you, he has an AA, a reset + slow that will give him time for another AA, and spin. That's 5 stacks of his passive right away, I have no idea how you avoid that as a melee champion without getting zoned. You can't even [[flash]] because his ult has 50 less range than [[flash]], and you're slowed from his W so he WILL get in range.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]His ultimate doesn't deal that much damage if he goes tank or off-tank.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]680 at max stacks, that's more than poor Cho'Gath gets. The whole idea of it is just not fun though, regardless of how powerful it is. Well, it's fun for the guy playing Darius and irritating for everyone else.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]He doesn't really bother me. I've already trashed 3-4 Darius's. Never lost to one in lane yet! :P[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=DuffTime] He doesn't really bother me. I've already trashed 3-4 Darius's. Never lost to one in lane yet! :P [/quote] Shh you. He wouldn't bother me either since I stopped playing top, except that every time he's on the enemy team he goes 10/0 in laning and then proceeds to come down and one shot everyone in teamfights. Which is a little annoying. Granted I only played like...three games with him on the enemy team. :P[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]I've never played against one at top. I've only had to deal with the aftermath. He gets fed. And everyone who is fed is scary. End of discussion, fed [[darius]] and pretty much every champion is scary. Nerf needed? Maybe a minor one to his early game and his ultimate. Otherwise, seems legit to me.[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow]Just a thought I had, but as of yet we haven't seen [[darius]] in any pro tournaments(that I watched anyway), so it's harder to say EXACTLY how strong he is. This may sound prickish but hear me out: in a pub set-up all of the players are not necessarily of equal skill. Also, these players may have a terrible team comp, poor communication, and any number of horrid issues (the opposite may also be true). Given this it is hard to closely examine the threat posed from the champ himself. As of right now i will only call [[darius]] strong, however, if we/I see him being the sole reason for a team winning frequently, then my mind might change (assuming its because people play against him intelligently and still loose). [[darius]] seems really good at pub stomping because randoms wont co-ordinate enough to shut him down, but I feel that any good teams will shut him down easily. That being said, with the refreshing ult he could wreck bitches if a team with heavy AoE is built around him. I'm thinking this: [list] [*][[darius]] - top [*][[ziggs]]/[[karthus]] - mid [*][[nunu]]/[[amumu]] - jungle [*][[miss fortune]] - AD bot [*][[sona]] - Support bot [/list] The team their could AoE or CC the hell out of the enemy with [[darius]] running clean up via ult spam.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]That team has literally no CC except for ults. Slows don't count. But it's a good idea to make him cleanup in an AoE comp.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Luther3000] Shh you. He wouldn't bother me either since I stopped playing top, except that every time he's on the enemy team he goes 10/0 in laning and then proceeds to come down and one shot everyone in teamfights. Which is a little annoying. Granted I only played like...three games with him on the enemy team. :P [/quote] I almost always get fed wit him :) [quote=CasterMaster] I've never played against one at top. I've only had to deal with the aftermath. He gets fed. And everyone who is fed is scary. End of discussion, fed [[darius]] and pretty much every champion is scary. Nerf needed? Maybe a minor one to his early game and his ultimate. Otherwise, seems legit to me. [/quote] I think all they need to do to make Darius PERFECTLY balanced is remove one possible stack, or reduce 5% bonus damage per stack for his ulti and a minor nerf to the scaling of the AD on his PASSIVE. His scaling on his skills is all relatively average and not very impressive.[/quote]