Veigar has probably the highest burst in the game but his DPS is lacklustre. No matter how much AP you have, you're still reliant on cooldowns.
You can pretty much test this by attempting buffs, dragon or baron using different champions. You'll notice that
LeBlanc or Veigar for example are pretty damn horrible at doing them whereas Karthus, Cassiopeia and AD carries are very strong at it.
You can pretty much test this by attempting buffs, dragon or baron using different champions. You'll notice that
LeBlanc or Veigar for example are pretty damn horrible at doing them whereas Karthus, Cassiopeia and AD carries are very strong at it.
It's not like you could exactly stack dodge in the first place. Other than the runes and Jax it was only on Ninja Tabi.
Jax it was only on Ninja Tabi.
Luther3000 wrote:
It's not like you could exactly stack dodge in the first place. Other than the runes and
Jax it was only on Ninja Tabi.But if I remember correctly you could have around 17% dodge with seals and Tabi. That isn't 17% damage reduction, but a 17% chance to avoid 100% of physical damage. That is a massive counter that was removed and now without it I feel that AD damage sources have been slowly slipping out of control. I do understand they were designed to be the top end of DPS, but there has never been a nerf to compensate for the removal of dodge.
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BusDriver210 wrote:
That isn't 17% damage reduction, but a 17% chance to avoid 100% of physical damage.
Mathematically there's no difference between the two.
Luther3000 wrote:
Mathematically there's no difference between the two.
True, but in moment to moment fights there was a massive difference.
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it seems like your saying that Rylai's Crystal Scepter is equivalent to Phantom Dancer
don't know if that is true.
On the matter at hand
There is a reason a Carry Gets all the kills during a game
Ad carries are able to out put damage quickly and Deal a lot of it (for Example Ashe crits 1k with full build) In my opinion i think AD does out class AP in killing power.
Onto the Single target vs AOE
TBH this isnt really something to take into consideration, Unless the entire other team is a bunch of tanks, that still out put extreme damage then it would be a problem. You need to Trust your team to protect you as you kill all the enemies. you will be very squishy so this only makes sense.
AP nukes on the other hand are different, The damage out put from an annie with full build is equivalent to 2 shots from ashe with a full build on a targer with equivalent MR/armor
AP Nukes Have a cooldown on their skills and their Auto attacks arnt effective at all.
TBH i think the true skill players are people who play AP nukes
They have to do Combos, Land Skill shot, Have good positioning to be able to kill enemies.
Now while this is true, the ad carry still has an advantage, Ashe out puts 2 attacks equal to a q from annie, annie has a cooldown, Ashe continues attacking. now you might say that this is a bad example because annie has other skill but the thing is, Those all have cooldown, When you use all your skills on a target they will go on cooldown, but auto attacks dont have a cooldown, 2 auto attack hitting 600 damage each per second is by far more op than 4 nukes with long Cooldowns
Rylai's Crystal Scepter is equivalent to Phantom Dancerdon't know if that is true.
On the matter at hand
There is a reason a Carry Gets all the kills during a game
Ad carries are able to out put damage quickly and Deal a lot of it (for Example Ashe crits 1k with full build) In my opinion i think AD does out class AP in killing power.
Onto the Single target vs AOE
TBH this isnt really something to take into consideration, Unless the entire other team is a bunch of tanks, that still out put extreme damage then it would be a problem. You need to Trust your team to protect you as you kill all the enemies. you will be very squishy so this only makes sense.
AP nukes on the other hand are different, The damage out put from an annie with full build is equivalent to 2 shots from ashe with a full build on a targer with equivalent MR/armor
AP Nukes Have a cooldown on their skills and their Auto attacks arnt effective at all.
TBH i think the true skill players are people who play AP nukes
They have to do Combos, Land Skill shot, Have good positioning to be able to kill enemies.
Now while this is true, the ad carry still has an advantage, Ashe out puts 2 attacks equal to a q from annie, annie has a cooldown, Ashe continues attacking. now you might say that this is a bad example because annie has other skill but the thing is, Those all have cooldown, When you use all your skills on a target they will go on cooldown, but auto attacks dont have a cooldown, 2 auto attack hitting 600 damage each per second is by far more op than 4 nukes with long Cooldowns
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Right, but Veigar has the potential to outmatch any burst in the game given the time. His number ceiling is competitive with AD carries. Am I wrong in thinking so?