Official QQ Thread

[quote=Inferiae][u][/u]First rant inc! Getting tired of jungling [[Shyvana]] in normals, people have no idea to the concept of counter jungling, just played a game against an opposition [[Fiddlesticks]] jungler, got FB on him at level 3 and proceeded to spend the entire game in his jungle hitting 6 by the time he's level 3 Top lane [[Jax]] meanwhile overextends and dies to [[Irelia]] and gets killed by a combination of her and the turret, guess who's fault it is? mine for a lack of ganks apparently... the fact I've completely locked down an opponent doesn't seem to register to these people Interestingly, he advised me that Shyvana should get red and gank at level 2.. after advising him at level 2 top will most likely not even be near the halfway marker in lane and burnout isn't a Goku-Esque instant transmission he piped back down >.<[/quote]

[quote=Minho]Actually, [[Burnout]] is enough movement speed + red buff to execute a "good" gank to make them [i]at least[/i] burn [[Flash]].[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]It's not so much burnout itself but that it lets you potentially land an E+Q combo with Shyv, early game that shit just HURTS.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]Team throwin games all day erryday.[/quote]

[quote=Inferiae][quote=BloodRaine] Actually, [[Burnout]] is enough movement speed + red buff to execute a "good" gank to make them [i]at least[/i] burn [[Flash]]. [/quote] Oh without doubt you CAN gank with [[Burnout]], also running [[Exhaust]] wrecks opponents, but trust me, at level 2 there [[Irelia]] would of been impossible for even the finest of gankers [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] It's not so much burnout itself but that it lets you potentially land an E+Q combo with Shyv, early game that shit just HURTS. [/quote] Oh I quite agree, but he argued she should gank at level 2, so I wouldn't have E + Q... yes I could run in at level 2 and against a VERY poor opponent get a flash out of them, but in my experience with her it's much more effective to get 3 and invade, 90% of junglers can't trade with her especially with an exhaust up, and this guarantees an advantage over your opponent rather than attempting a speculative at best gank Consequently we won the game with me carrying late game, I just find it so frustrating when every lane dying is somehow your fault[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]It's doable, just relies on the enemy's positioning and how you approach them.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=BloodRaine] Actually, [[Burnout]] is enough movement speed + red buff to execute a "good" gank to make them [i]at least[/i] burn [[Flash]]. [/quote] No. 3 seconds of deteriorating movement speed won't let you get close to someone unless he's super over extended or derped hard enough to get caught. It's as Jeffy said, the burst makes even the minor slow from red extremely lethal, but most of the time you aren't close enough to use it.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]They don't even need to be "super" overextended. It's simply reliant on your ability cut off their escape. If you come in as they step in to CS (assuming they are melee and not someone like Jayce) that's enough time in the middle of their animation to close the distance. The other half of the equation is the team mate in lane. If they have some sort of CC (hard or soft) you'll definitely burn their flash/ghost. It's all about the positioning and the ability to coordinate with your team mate(s). Just my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]It's come to my knowledge that a lot of champions now have the mobility to get away from champions like [[shyvana]] and [[udyr]]. As such I based my response based on that.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Yet I still see those champions played in tournaments on a semi-regular basis. I'm not saying it will always work. But Udyr Flash+Stun is scary as shit and Shyvana peeling out of the jungle like a coked up drag racer has its merits.[/quote]