Irelia buff?

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Fox Rage] Irelia's whole kit is broken, wich is the reason she'll never be balanced. Either she'll be nerfed so hard she goes back into oblivion, either she gets buffed and she will become The Queen Of Solotop once again. I don't remember ever seing her as ''balanced'' as she is right now. I know one of Riot's biggest staff hate her (Morello if my memory is correct) too. It was in one of his post on the forum. He was explaining people why he was glad Irelia was getting nerfed, and about how her overall kit was way too strong, etc etc etc [/quote] at least she isnt a "pick up and instarape" champion from what ive seen, including this guy there are 3 other people i know trying to use irelia but arnt raping like she should, which is good[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]@Fox, go easy on the post button man :P Dill, how long have you been into league? Were you here before Irelia got nerfed like 11 times? She's not a pick up and instarape ATM imo, but oh my glob she used to be, and I really don't wanna go back to that ._.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Irelias lategame isn't that good. Midgame however ohshit![/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]But her lategame is USUALLY good BECAUSE her midgame is so good :P[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]she's still very strong. no need for a buff, THOUGH I WOULD LIKE IT IF RIOT DID SO. however, a nerf will soon come not long after the buff.[/quote]

[quote=bitpik]It's not so much that [[Irelia]] is bad lategame. Its that burst assassin style characters arent in favor at all in the current lategame meta. How the hell are you going to kill their [[Ezreal]] with [[guardian angel]] when two tanks and their [[Sona]] is defending him? Same goes for [[Akali]] and [[Talon]] etc. [[Trinity force]] is a midgame item that speciallizes in burst every 2 seconds and benefits all melee burst assassins. Problem with [[trinity force]] is that you can get a [[sheen]] procc when you first jump in on someone and then your damage is sort-of weak for a few seconds. During this time you greatly risk getting kited. Additionally, [[sheen]] procc gets considerably smaller the more armor your opponent has. [[sheen]] procc is pretty sh1t against tanks lategame. [[Frozen mallet]] [[Irelia]] is stronger lategame because it has more presence and utility outside of burst. With [[Frozen mallet]] you arent that standard burst assassin and can actually protect your own carry aswell. Lategame its all about the AD carry, and if the teams teamfighting is played out correctly its all about how long the tankline survives. The team with the tanks with most presence and tankyness wins. This is why [[Mundo]] is so strong lategame, great presence with [[infected cleaver]] without ANY offensive items. [[Trinity force]] doesnt give much tankyness or presence in a fight because its damage is pretty much ignorable late, and it wont slow for tons. [[Guardian angel]] gives a big amount of presence though. This is why [[Garen]] is so horrible lategame. He might have slight tankyness over some bruisers but his presence is 0. Carries can just ignore him. If he build IE+damage he dies fast as fk to the AD anyway, and he has absolutely no way of reaching to their AD carry if the enemy team plays the teamfight well.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i started playing at the time darius was released so i probably dont know about irelia raping face instantly, but from what ive seen shes harder to just pick up and play which is good, even when i tried her i couldnt do it right[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]Yeah, you missed the 'nerf irelia' days :P Meh, you just gotta know how she works, and she's easy. It's a knowledge thing, not a skill thing, same as Kata :P Easy to play, but you have to know how.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=bitpik] It's not so much that [[Irelia]] is bad lategame. Its that burst assassin style characters arent in favor at all in the current lategame meta. How the hell are you going to kill their [[Ezreal]] with [[guardian angel]] when two tanks and their [[Sona]] is defending him? Same goes for [[Akali]] and [[Talon]] etc. [[Trinity force]] is a midgame item that speciallizes in burst every 2 seconds and benefits all melee burst assassins. Problem with [[trinity force]] is that you can get a [[sheen]] procc when you first jump in on someone and then your damage is sort-of weak for a few seconds. During this time you greatly risk getting kited. Additionally, [[sheen]] procc gets considerably smaller the more armor your opponent has. [[sheen]] procc is pretty sh1t against tanks lategame. [[Frozen mallet]] [[Irelia]] is stronger lategame because it has more presence and utility outside of burst. With [[Frozen mallet]] you arent that standard burst assassin and can actually protect your own carry aswell. Lategame its all about the AD carry, and if the teams teamfighting is played out correctly its all about how long the tankline survives. The team with the tanks with most presence and tankyness wins. This is why [[Mundo]] is so strong lategame, great presence with [[infected cleaver]] without ANY offensive items. [[Trinity force]] doesnt give much tankyness or presence in a fight because its damage is pretty much ignorable late, and it wont slow for tons. [[Guardian angel]] gives a big amount of presence though. This is why [[Garen]] is so horrible lategame. He might have slight tankyness over some bruisers but his presence is 0. Carries can just ignore him. If he build IE+damage he dies fast as fk to the AD anyway, and he has absolutely no way of reaching to their AD carry if the enemy team plays the teamfight well. [/quote] Another one which underrates [[courage]]? [[courage]] is the reason why [[garen]] can stay with that build long enough alive. It gives you way more tankyness than for example [[Ragnarok]] and that for 6 seconds with a 12 seconds cooldown. It also gives you 30% CC reduction. It even gives you more defenses than [[insanity potion]] for that duration. And you know how hard [[singed]] is to kill even with only his ultimate. The only real defense item you need is [[guardian angel]] and the semi defense item [[maw of malmortius]].[/quote]

[quote=bitpik][quote=NicknameMy] [quote=bitpik] It's not so much that [[Irelia]] is bad lategame. Its that burst assassin style characters arent in favor at all in the current lategame meta. How the hell are you going to kill their [[Ezreal]] with [[guardian angel]] when two tanks and their [[Sona]] is defending him? Same goes for [[Akali]] and [[Talon]] etc. [[Trinity force]] is a midgame item that speciallizes in burst every 2 seconds and benefits all melee burst assassins. Problem with [[trinity force]] is that you can get a [[sheen]] procc when you first jump in on someone and then your damage is sort-of weak for a few seconds. During this time you greatly risk getting kited. Additionally, [[sheen]] procc gets considerably smaller the more armor your opponent has. [[sheen]] procc is pretty sh1t against tanks lategame. [[Frozen mallet]] [[Irelia]] is stronger lategame because it has more presence and utility outside of burst. With [[Frozen mallet]] you arent that standard burst assassin and can actually protect your own carry aswell. Lategame its all about the AD carry, and if the teams teamfighting is played out correctly its all about how long the tankline survives. The team with the tanks with most presence and tankyness wins. This is why [[Mundo]] is so strong lategame, great presence with [[infected cleaver]] without ANY offensive items. [[Trinity force]] doesnt give much tankyness or presence in a fight because its damage is pretty much ignorable late, and it wont slow for tons. [[Guardian angel]] gives a big amount of presence though. This is why [[Garen]] is so horrible lategame. He might have slight tankyness over some bruisers but his presence is 0. Carries can just ignore him. If he build IE+damage he dies fast as fk to the AD anyway, and he has absolutely no way of reaching to their AD carry if the enemy team plays the teamfight well. [/quote] Another one which underrates [[courage]]? [[courage]] is the reason why [[garen]] can stay with that build long enough alive. It gives you way more tankyness than for example [[Ragnarok]] and that for 6 seconds with a 12 seconds cooldown. It also gives you 30% CC reduction. It even gives you more defenses than [[insanity potion]] for that duration. And you know how hard [[singed]] is to kill even with only his ultimate. The only real defense item you need is [[guardian angel]] and the semi defense item [[maw of malmortius]]. [/quote] He still hardly has any presence. I said that he is tankier than most other bruisers because of [[courage]]. Thing is his only gapcloser isnt enough for teamfights. No matter what build he goes he cant often make it to the AD carry if their team is protecting him. Lets say your run in alone, or even with anyone else like [[nocturne]] etc. You might make it to the AD carry without being chainstunned but after your steroids are gone your just going to get kited. [[courage]] only lasts for 6 seconds. And an AD carry can still kill you quickly even if [[courage]] is up. And same goes for [[Renekton]] after he has used his E he just gets kited lategame.[/quote]