Skipping Rod of Ages on Ryze

[quote=lumpor]I often find myself making my catalyst the protector into a banshee's veil instead of RoA. Thing is, Rod of ages gives HP, AP and mana. Ap is alright on Ryze, but not that desirable. HP I feel becomes obsolete after you get Seraph's embrace, where the shield in a way increases your HP bulk. In the end, there's only the mana left that you really really want. With such an important core that Ryze has, do you really wanna build this item, when you gotta get it early because of its effect? I feel that getting that cdr to decrease your dependency on the blue buff is more important.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]"HP" and "obsolete"... You know the actual game? And [[rod of ages]] also has more mana than [[banshee's veil]]. There are games I just get 3 [[rod of ages]] cuz it is fun and very effective if combined with [[seraph's embrace]]. You can then still add [[frozen heart]] and boots.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka]You upgrade your tear to [[Muramana]] on Ryze, because its toggle makes him do Tons of Damage[sup]TM[/sup]. Also, you can build [i]both[/i]. It's not a big deal.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=lifebaka] Also, you can build [i]both[/i]. It's not a big deal. [/quote] This Next to [[muramana]] and [[seraph's embrace]], [[rod of ages]] grants the most mana in game. Also, grants a lot of health, which is the best defense atm. And it grants 80 AP as a bonus, which is pretty nice aswell :P Overall, I see no reason why not to get this item :P But of course, [[banshee's veil]] is also a good pick on Ryze, you can get both.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]No reason to get both Banshee is good if you're getting stomped RoA is good. Without it you'd just be a squishy piece of meat.[/quote]

[quote=lumpor]Yeah Ryze is one of my most played heroes and I find his problems are usually enemies being just out of cast range of w and getting away because of Ryze's bad speed, getting away after w is finished, or being outnumbered. Not only mentioning the shield from his seraph's as a substitute for HP, remember he has spell vamp as well, which effectively adding more hp to him. By adding things like armor or damage, you make the vamped life more valuable, which you then can use to vamp more life and it goes on. If Ryze gets disabled he can't vamp though, but isn't that what Banshee's prevents? About muramana, I know of it but I haven't tried it on Ryze, only blitzcrank. I find the toggling a big too annoying tbh, .[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]It is league of HP stacking, resistances are more or less useless because they easily get penetrated.[/quote]

[quote=Rhollback][quote=NicknameMy] It is league of HP stacking, resistances are more or less useless because they easily get penetrated. [/quote] Pretty much 100% true at this point.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]porque no los dos? Anyway, get all 4: [[banshee's veil]], [[rod of ages]], [[muramana]], and [[seraph's embrace]] with [[mercury's treads]] and [[frozen heart]]. Hue.[/quote]

[quote=BlueArtist]I take [[Warmog's Armor]] instead of [[Banshee's Veil]]...[/quote]