Getting closer to ranked

[quote=Aseafy]Eh. If ur just starting ranked a better support wud be taric, or someone with a heal[/quote]

[quote=grrg]Support [[morgana]] is actually something I do quite well with. I just pick up lucky pick after getting shurelya's and wind up with enough gold to build into mage. I do kinda see your points though. I will look into other supports, but I really don't like taric... like really just don't like looking at him lol. As far as warwick, yeah those are all valid points. As I start playing in tougher games I see how important any form of crowd control is needed. Maybe something like [[trundle]]? One of the things i love about WW is that he can just jungle for days with his regen. Someone mentioned about ashe, yes I know she is team dependent. Sometimes you team is just lacking an initiate and ashe gives one of the best as far as ADC goes. IMO I am also not looking to make my list of champs too large. As I said in the first post, I intend to main ADC. So after I get a good list hammered out all of my expansions will focus on the adc role. Which most everyone seems to like the ADCs i have right now anyways lol. Probably dropping Zed in there. After I think for a bit i will get back to you with another list.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]You don't want to be staying in the jungle really. Gank, gank, gank some more, and then once your lanes are ahead, then you farm. WW is fairly weak right now simply because he doesn't have a lot of clear speed, and he can only gank well once he hits 6, whereas Xin, J4 and Vi, some of the strongest junglers, can all gank at 2 or 3 if they so choose. Trundle is weak for the same reason, but he is a fairly scary champion to duel du to his various shreds.[/quote]

[quote=Xylarboden][quote=grrg] I will look into other supports, but I really don't like taric... like really just don't like looking at him lol. [/quote] Outrageous![/quote]

[quote=grrg][quote=Xylarboden] [quote=grrg] I will look into other supports, but I really don't like taric... like really just don't like looking at him lol. [/quote] Outrageous! [/quote] I always feel strangely picky about aesthetics. I will purposely create female chars in every game I play (i'm a male) simply because if I am going to spend hours looking at something I want it to please me visually. Big muscly men just don't do that for me XD. Also, quick question. [[vi]] and [[maokai]] what is the opinion on them for junglers?[/quote]

[quote=Scott Azrael]I haven't played those two because I don't have them. However, when they go on sale, I'll be buying them because Vi is one of the top 4 junglers right now and Maokai is really good too. So, I would try them as well if I were you.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist][[vi]] and [[maokai]] are both great junglers...both have great ganking ability due to their gap closing ability. [[vi]] comes off with an edge imo. She can clear so quick with her AOE. I dunno she is pretty beast but does also get banned more than mao for sure. lugignaf is right about the ganking...I mean you don't want to over gank as you will get behind but I have played with so many junglers who farm all day...when the 3 lanes get behind due to the other jungler ganking and your jungle not...that loses games. adc [[ashe]] as a top choice? meh..I mean ashe can be good but I think she is easy to play against and I am a pretty bad adc...I mean caitlyn just punks her due to her range. yeah for supports (I play support most) I would go with [[zyra]] as being decent but that is about it from your original list. I know [[morgana]] can be played as support for sure with her cc but ranked is a different ball game...I would try [[taric]] [[lulu]] [[sona]] and [[thresh]]. I am going to buy [[thresh]] asap...he is such a beast support.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=OTGBionicArm] No one mentions [[Thresh]] for support? Quite possibly the best "jack of all trades" support ever to be created besides [[lulu]]? :p [/quote] The real problem with Thresh is that too many people don't pick up the lantern when you throw it to them as an escape and pick it up when you throw it to them as a shield. I also feel like his skill cap is just a bit too high for his payout; you're about as good off learning an easier support, really. [quote=grrg] Support [[morgana]] is actually something I do quite well with. I just pick up lucky pick after getting shurelya's and wind up with enough gold to build into mage. I do kinda see your points though. I will look into other supports, but I really don't like taric... like really just don't like looking at him lol. [/quote] In virtually all games I play, where I rush into Philo and Sightstone (which is honestly another gp10), I end up as the lowest gold on my team. The few games where I've kind of not cared and tried to build actual expensive items on my supports, I can barely finish a single item before the end of the game, if I even get to finish one. If you're really able to keep up with other members of your team in terms of gold income and you are able to build into having a useful damage presence, either the people you're playing with just don't farm well or your games are lasting way too long; both of these tend to indicate low skill levels, to be blunt. Things like Morgana and Lux support can work really well at low skill levels, where you have the time to build into a late game AP carry, but at higher skill levels the gold disparity between supports and non-supports just gets way too big. In a normal 30 minute-ish game, for me, I'll have between 8k and 9k gold, while my carries tend to have at least 11k (13k+ if we're doing well) and haven't had to spend a decent portion of their income on wards. I don't suggest getting used to them as supports simply because they won't work at higher skill levels, and regular supports work just as well at lower skill levels, so I don't see a good reason not to learn the things that you'll still be able to use effectively later. This is in addition to their lack of passive gameplay options, which I mentioned earlier; if you're losing lane, Morgana and Lux are mostly a single missed skillshot and then a free kill for the enemy, while Taric or Lulu or Leona can still be really useful to your team. I know what you mean about Taric being kinda' ugly, though. He could use a visual rework. While I can entirely sympathize with you on the whole "why look at ugly?" thing, I don't find myself actually looking at my own champion all that much when I play League, so it's less of an issue in this game than it is in others, IMO. Also, you should totally learn Vi jungle. She's really strong. Really, really strong. One of the top junglers, currently. Plus she looks awesome. Her dialogue gets kinda' tiresome, but it's not the biggest deal. Maokai jungle has better early ganks but doesn't gain as much from his ult. He's really better against AoE comps, where his ult can absorb stupid amounts of damage, and with allies that are smart enough to stay inside the thing (Thresh problems, again). He also can't recover from bad starts as well as Vi and can be pretty useless if you for any reason can't build some really early HP on him. The amount of wards at level 1 is probably going to hurt his ability to level 2 gank effectively, and the meta is overall kinda' dumping on utility junglers right now, so I'd say go with Vi if you have to choose.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Meh. Am I the only one here that doesn't believe in "skill caps". A champion either clicks and is easy for me or doesnt and I can't play them for the life of me. [[Thresh]] has a "high skill cap" yet he comes naturally to me. Yet, [[Blitzcrank]] who is actually very simple to play (One skill shot does not make him hard) is beyond difficult for me to pick up. D: I feel like it's preference over degree of ease in playing.[/quote]

[quote=Scott Azrael][quote=OTGBionicArm] Meh. Am I the only one here that doesn't believe in "skill caps". A champion either clicks and is easy for me or doesnt and I can't play them for the life of me. [[Thresh]] has a "high skill cap" yet he comes naturally to me. Yet, [[Blitzcrank]] who is actually very simple to play (One skill shot does not make him hard) is beyond difficult for me to pick up. D: I feel like it's preference over degree of ease in playing. [/quote] Honestly, I think skillcap can give a decent idea, but it's not foolproof. There are champs that people just click with and others you just don't. Sometimes it's just the way a champ plays and sometimes it's just a difference in the champ and the way you like to play. One of the biggest problems playing support for me is trying to get in sync with your adc. Everyone plays different, so some ad carries want to be aggressive and some want to play passive and they don't always pick the champ that best suits that play style. So you see a passive adc so you pick a support to be more passive and then your adc decides to play aggressive. It's why I hate supporting unless it's for someone I know.[/quote]