When I say your item build is rubbish instant -1, your correct response is to ask why it's rubbish. It's not my fault you chose to get offended instead.

As for that Bronze V guy, he's probably tempbanned for a couple days. Now he's the one who has nothing to contribute - the community could do without him, frankly speaking.

The only reason I'm not instantly downvoting this guide is because it is currently the best new guide on the homepage. That was not a compliment.

Disagree.

'This guide sucks -1' is extremely useful. It tells you, for one, that the guide sucks. It should be an indication that the author has done something wrong. It should then fall on the author to try and see what is wrong. If nothing is found, then it may be disregarded. If something IS found, the comment has been useful insofar as directing your attention to it.

We are not obliged to help the guide writer. In fact, it should be the case that we find nothing wrong with a guide, but rather that we point out minor errors. If something as hugely wrong as items, then why should we help them with their guide? They were in no position to write one. If they want advice on how to play her, they do NOT write a guide, and we'd be happy to answer inside of a PM or forum.

And you're seriously worried about someone having their feelings hurt? Much as we could sugar-coat our words, it's a huge waste of time and, quite frankly, we're not interested in doing that. If the criticized is unable to take it on the chin, that's not that critic's fault.

If you want to make MOBAFire a more useful community, you can start by downvoting all the useless guides to discourage future guide writers from writing before they have even ample knowledge about what they are writing.

I'm not denying the guide is bad. It IS bad. However, there are better ways of saying so instead of just saying "This guide sucks -1". It doesn't actually help anyone. A good commenter should be able to teach not only the author, but everyone else who is reading the discussion page about WHY the guide is bad in some form or another and what you can do to avoid making the mistakes that the guide has made. I'm sure people want to learn, but you have to first TEACH and give answers, not just put people down. I'm saying - put people down in a way that helps everyone, not a way that ONLY hurts someone's feelings. Especially if you're extremely active on MOBAfire like Lagger is.

Like I'm said, I'm not saying don't DOWNVOTE. That's fine. Go ahead, but if you're going to comment, make the comment useful. It's not my guide, so I don't care if it's downvoted or not. I'm not asking him to make a whole 'nother counter-guide, I'm asking him (and everyone else who does similar such) to try atleast TRY to make MOBAfire a more helpful community at every corner you can. I don't mind swearing, but use constructive swearing. Do you catch my drift?

Yeah, pretty much every single start is wrong, with the possible exception of boots-3.



Not nearly enough time. It took me months just to write a guide, let alone to research for it.

Thus this:



Is also bs.

Not my fault if people take offense. Either you want to learn or you don't want to learn. I can sugar-coat my comments, but I don't have to.

^ for you satella

That escalated quickly.

I think that's pretty much too far for just trying to give some emotional value to your post. Yeah.
Way too far.

Let's sum up what MOBAFire actually is:
An online system to share your guides to help people learn the game with other people. Everyone has the right to rate your guide based on their opinion of the usefulness and viability of the guide, to protect new players from guides that do not help them to lean the game, but instead teach not that good or just terrible false information, in their opinion. So if your guide has a low rating, it means that the majority of the readers did not find your guide useful or simply not the best guide out there. It's completely free to the voter to explain his choices or not, how irritating it may be at some times, it's all about opinion of the (majority of the) readers, and that's what you should care about if you want to improve your guide. If you'd like to know what you did wrong, then watch the comments of people who tell you what they didn't agree on or think was not useful. Be very glad if you get those comments, because again people aren't forced to give them. If you'd like to get more information about some people's opinions, then I can only advise you to politely ask for it.
Downvoting is not the same as bullying. It's necessary for this voting system to work. If the red button was never pushed all the **** guides published every day would be on the front page, which will do the usefulness of mobafire no good, and your time and patience too.
Let's be frank here, if someone has to give a good guide to prove another guide bad, then he would just write a guide himself. If you want more advise on how to improve your guide, then ask for it nicely and hope someone has the time to help you. If not, then not. You have in no way possible the right to claim a personal trainer out of everyone that doesn't agree with you.If that was the case, then that certainly makes me doubt the ability to self-reflect of certain people. As a side-note, not agreeing with someone does not in any way mean that you can just outright harass or swear at people. So please make sure you don't start to become something you dislike that much yourself.

I'm going to write a decent concept of this so I can reuse it every time xD

Instant -1 because guide author is being a **** to people giving constructive criticism to his guide.

• Starting items are bad. Are you playing against bots or something?
• "Core items" include Morellonomicon
• Liandry's Torment on a burst caster
• Lich Bane/ Twin Shadows don't belong here
• 21/0/9 masteries are specced wrong
• Teleport in mid lane is something that should only be taken to counter globals like Destiny. Always taking it is a dumb idea because you can just walk to the other lanes since you're mid, and you give up the possibility of having ignite/exhaust (former allowing early kills and the latter making your teamfight influence much stronger).