Wayne3100's Quest for Platinum (Season 3)

[quote=Wayne3100]k, sent a request to Riot Support: [spoiler=Request: "Feedback on LP gains in Silver I"] Greetings. First of all, I want to start by saying this is not meant to be a "QQ y u do dis to me" type of request. I am fully aware of how LP gains are often lower for players in Silver I as their MMR is not high enough yet to play their promotional series for Gold. However, I think that in my case the system has clearly failed to give correct feedback and there is a lot of room for improvement. Alright, so here's my story: In Season 2, I reached Gold elo (near the end of the season) and finished at an elo of ~1520. This season, I went 6-4 in my placement matches, ending up at ~1450 elo, then played some more games, staying at roughly the same elo before being placed in Silver I (Miss Fortune's Tornadoes) after Tiers & Divisions were introduced. To be precise, I had played 27 games before the new system was introduced, of which I won 15 and lost 12. I remember losing the first two games after the system was introduced - without getting demoted - before I slowly started climbing up in LP. Several times I came close to ~90 LP before having a losing spree and dropping back down again, but every time I'd slowly work my way back up. As I approached 100 games played this season, I found myself once again climbing back up and gaining more LP than I lost. The three games shown here (imgur.com/s0iJ6mw.png), for example, made me drop from 81 to 79, a loss of only 2 LP despite going 1-2. The same happened only days later, as these three games (imgur.com/hmRl5eN.png) made me drop from 88 to 87 LP. At this point, I figured my MMR was pretty good, because I had twice lost barely any LP for going 1-2 (note that I did win more games in between which is why I kept climbing). After 100 games, I had 52 wins and 48 losses and was at 87 LP (this was after the last three games I just linked). From there, I gained +6, +3, +2 and +1 LP for a 4 game winning spree and found myself sitting at 99 LP. This sort of "clamping" would suggest my MMR wasn't all that great after all, but since I was so close I figured one more win would do the trick. imgur.com/UKJgsYQ.jpg & imgur.com/atRmVFN.jpg --> This is what happened. I know it is possible to get +0, I am not trying to say that's not fair, but getting it twice in a row after getting +6, +3, +2 and +1 (all incredibly low gains already) doesn't make sense to me. If my MMR was that low, why didn't I just lose 10-15 LP for the three games I showed earlier, of which I won only 1 and lost 2? And if it wasn't, why did I need four straight wins to get from 87 to 99 before twice getting +0? As I said, I know it's possible to get +0, I'm not mad about it, but I fail to see how these sort of LP gains are "predictable" (if I understand correctly, that's what Riot is aiming for, is it not?). As for some extra info: - I did duo queue with a friend (Agrimenta) while playing those last 6 games. He was Silver II (and in his promo series for Silver I) at the start of all this and is now Silver I with 38 League Points. - In most of the matches we played, we found ourselves at the bottom of the picking order with Gold teammates and Gold/Plat enemies (though I realise those Platinum players most likely also had a Gold MMR). - In several of my games (during and before the six game winning spree), I found myself higher in the picking order than Gold V teammates. I realise their actual ratings may have been lower than I'd think, but it seems unlikely that they were also lower than someone who apparently doesn't have a high enough rating to reach his promotional series for Gold. They were not at 0 League Points. I hope this clarifies why I feel the system, in my case, has failed. Unpredictable LP gains - especially when approaching 100 LP - are very demotivating. Please look into this, because I feel a lot can be done to make sure others don't have to go through a similar experience (assuming this is not some weird bug). Thank you for your time. Yours sincerely, Wayne3100 [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]you do like to write. hopefully there is no tl;dr... =3 even i can't wait for the answer.[/quote]

[quote=koksei]"I am not mad" you are pretty bad at lying, sir batman[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]I was mad after the first time I got +0, the second time I kind of expected it. I'm not mad about it now, it's the truth mmmmmkay[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][spoiler=Standard Riot response ftl] Greetings Summoner, Thanks for contacting me. I’m very sorry for any trouble or confusion you have experienced regarding League Point (LP) gains/losses. LP is used to track progression through a particular division as well as determine qualification for advancement. However, hidden matchmaking rating (MMR) is the variable used to determine placement for a division/tier as well as how much LP will be gained/lost in a ranked game. If your MMR is significantly lower than where the system believes you should be for the division you are in, then your LP gains will be reduced. Furthermore, the amount of LP you earn will not increase until your MMR is raised to a point where the system believes you should be for that particular division. On the opposite end of this situation, you may experience large LP losses due to the fact that the system believes you should be in a lower Division based on your current MMR. Please keep in mind that as long as you continue to win more than you lose, your League Point gain will even out and you’ll continue to make progress towards the next advancement series. Additionally, because League Tier placement is now permanent, we have designed the system with safeguards in place to ensure that a player’s matchmaking rating is high enough to be able to consistently play at the level of the next tier. The system will reduce the amount of LP you earn in Division I until your MMR reaches this level. I hope this explanation has helped. We are currently examining the results of this system to explore potential improvements, so this may change in the future. You can also check out our League System FAQ here: https://support.leagueoflegends.com/entries/23095726-Season-3-League-System-FAQ-Ranked-Play- Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns. ''If you haven't yet lost the ability to ask, you may not yet ask for relief.'' SwainRen Riot Games Player Support Specialist [/spoiler] >.> [spoiler=My Response] I'm afraid this doesn't answer any of my questions. I already said I am well aware of how LP gains can be lower when approaching the promotional series for Gold. Your response suggests you didn't read my comment at all, to be honest. My question is why I wasn't losing more LP if my MMR was apparently so bad; or, alternatively, why I only gained +6, +3, +2, +1 and then twice +0 if my MMR wasn't bad. I understand you have some standard copy-paste answers that you regularly send to players who ask about these things, but it just doesn't apply to my case. There is something seriously wrong with the feedback I received from the system. It might even be bugged (though I assume that's not the case). Please do me a favour and actually read what I'm saying. Thank you.[/spoiler] To be continued.....[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Nope, all I'm getting are standard copy paste answers about how LP works, how LP gains/losses are determined by your MMR and how "clamping" works. Riot Support has helped me in the past, but this is just ridiculous. They're completely ignoring what I'm saying.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]I understand you are frustrated Wayne3100, but you must understand. LP is used to track progression through a particular division as well as determine qualification for advancement. However, hidden matchmaking rating (MMR) is the variable used to determine placement for a division/tier as well as how much LP will be gained/lost in a ranked game. If your MMR is significantly lower than where the system believes you should be for the division you are in, then your LP gains will be reduced. Furthermore, the amount of LP you earn will not increase until your MMR is raised to a point where the system believes you should be for that particular division. On the opposite end of this situation, you may experience large LP losses due to the fact that the system believes you should be in a lower Division based on your current MMR. Please keep in mind that as long as you continue to win more than you lose, your League Point gain will even out and you’ll continue to make progress towards the next advancement series. Additionally, because League Tier placement is now permanent, they have designed the system with safeguards in place to ensure that a player’s matchmaking rating is high enough to be able to consistently play at the level of the next tier. The system will reduce the amount of LP you earn in Division I until your MMR reaches this level. I hope this explanation has helped. They are currently examining the results of this system to explore potential improvements, so this may change in the future. You can also check out their League System FAQ here: https://support.leagueoflegends.com/entries/23095726-Season-3-League-System-FAQ-Ranked-Play- ( <3 )[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]You should apply for a job at LoL Player Support, would fit right in ;)[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]LoL'd. (literally, Wayne has been LoL'd) =3 are you expecting any decent answer?[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]At least until now the messages I sent to them were actually read >.>[/quote]