Graves Build Guide : The overall ADC guide for S3 :: League of Legends Strategy Builds

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Actually is fantastic on Graves and a lot of people like it on Ezreal as a 5th or 6th item. is a great AS steroid that comes up faster with more autos. You can also use the active in your burst combo, which pretty much makes up for the lower amount of AD compared to, say, .

BT is okay on Graves but BotRK is arguably better, at least in most scenarios.

Not just because you wrote what I stand for in this matter, but you formulated it alot better than I did, and I totally agree, I get more burst from a BotRK then a BT, its true. Thanks

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Suggestion: Don't get taken in by peer pressure ._.

For , even though the slow is reduced, it does still help you survive better than if you got , since even a reduced slow helps you kite, and the AD adds to your lifesteal value.

EDIT: According to the Mobafire database, the ranged slow effect is 30%, which is pretty darn big.

You're right about being a staple item on some ADCs. However, that doesn't apply to every champion. That item is a great pick on duelist-type champions like and , but not so great on ADCs that are more spell-oriented like and . Also, just because you don't see an item being built doesn't mean it's bad, and vice versa. For example, is just a bad item in general, yet you still see it at times.

Just because you get to proc twice as much doesn't mean you should waste an item slot for Hurricane. If you build and (Standard core on ) you're already at over 50% crit rate. Also, you can't forget about sustain and ArPen, as well as your survivability item, which puts you at an item cap. Not only that, but Hurricane as an item is just not worth the gold. TLDR, you do not have the purpose, nor the capability, to buy Hurricane if you want to become a late-game terror that is supposed to be.

Now, about boots. is not a bad item, but you shouldn't be building it on an ADC. Against a hard poke support? I'll use as an example. She is just about the squishiest support in the game, and the range on isn't that much further than your auto attack range. If she tries to poke you, get a few hits on her and she won't do it much. Also, you can just lifesteal the damage back, since her damage really isn't that big of a deal. On a side note, that's also partly why you want to start . As for tenacity. Positioning in a team fight is one of the most important parts of playing an ADC successfully. In other words, you shouldn't be getting hit by CC at all. And if you really want that tenacity, there's this thing called that you can replace boots with, since it also grants speed and attack speed.

Oh yeah, a bit more about .

If you start with a , you can get a maximum of 2 s. (You shouldn't be getting mastery on an ADC anyway.)

Each heals 150, so you can get a total of 300HP in sustain.

allows you to heal 5 HP PER HIT.

In other words, the sustain provided by the two items balance out at 60 auto attacks, which is something that can be achieved very easily. I mean, if you're any decent, 60 CS should be achieved by around 7 to 8 minutes, and during this time you will be auto-attack harassing the opponents as well. It also gives you far more flexibility as to WHEN you want the sustain, and the sustain effect stays until you sell the item. Oh, and that 80 bonus health will help you stay alive.

Well, its kind of true what you say about I guess, but I honestly have gotten so used to now, I guess. Season 2 it was always , and then , but this is not S2, this is S3. Call it break the META, but I do, with Skägghälge, my premade support, have a win rate of 73%. For S2 it was 79% win ratio. After all, this is my guide, and I am only saying what works for me, and if I win 70% of all my games with this, and do have a standard farm of about 120 creeps, per 15 mins, I am happy.

One more thing about the . I see that you have done the math, and got it right. BUT, what you don't calculate is the regeneration time. With 2 health potions, you get 300 HP, true, but over 30 sec. It takes about 5 mins to get that with the . And that is if we are NOT counting in that they will poke you during this time and so on. When I face a in lane, I always go aggressive, and make sure that they won't be able to utilize that heal, so if they get 1 auto attack off, I hit THEM once. They get 5 HP, and maybe a last hit. I get no health, but deal about 80 damage. They go minus 75 health, on that auto attack. That's not a win according to me. Either that, or everyone, including me, suck at using a in all games I play. Does this explain it? I hope it did, but yea. I don't call it a viable start item, unless you are someone that can make trades, without taking ANY damage yourself, such as .

At last, the , does actually proc the BONUS DAMAGE from on those extra projectiles from the . I do consider it a decent item, and I will still use it.

I think that was all, and thank you for your good criticism, and I will consider that . It almost sounds a bit too good to be true, but we'll see, if it works in game.

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Your guide doesn't determine if an item is viable or not.
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"oh it's my guide" yeah it's your guide, doesn't mean **** though.

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^One lost game. Lol naabs nevr agen. /endofdiscussion

It was maybe also that the enemy Katarina was 13-0 and paid my lane a couple of visits... And I was tired, BUT, I do wish to say one thing. I do win the lane early 10/10 times when I start with and 2 against . And that was a really pathetic game I had. Pathetic, lost as VS ... I do not call it viable, and its my guide after all.

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Tbh this guide is complete trash.
Why?

Ignite on an AD Carry
Not even a mention of lifesteal quints
Last Whisper is pretty much mandatory on any ADC
Runaans sucks.
Statikk is pretty much never worth the buy.
Barely a mention of Berserker's
Calling yourself a good/decent player as bronze 1.
Really incomplete. If you want to upload an unfinished guide, archive it and show it to your friends.

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You're right about being a staple item on some ADCs. However, that doesn't apply to every champion. That item is a great pick on duelist-type champions like and , but not so great on ADCs that are more spell-oriented like and .

Actually is fantastic on Graves and a lot of people like it on Ezreal as a 5th or 6th item. is a great AS steroid that comes up faster with more autos. You can also use the active in your burst combo, which pretty much makes up for the lower amount of AD compared to, say, .

BT is okay on Graves but BotRK is arguably better, at least in most scenarios.

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Hi Retribution!

Lets get right to the point. This is as I said not a finished guide, and the only reason I published it was because some friends wondered what the **** I had been doing all day (Sleeping and writing for 2 hours I think). Anyways, I rarely get the , but its a decent item, that allows for slightly more DPS.

The thing about made me think.. I am not sure about getting it instead of . gives me some good HP reg too, and the slow is reduced because of that I am ranged.

And not saying anything bad about anyone, but honestly 9/10 games, there is no on ANYONE in the game at all. has been a really strong, and META item now.

Give the passive of a thought... It gets her to make a every 3rd attack instead of every 7th. That gives ALOT of damage in teamfights. But yes, you can't get it on many champions, that's true.

My vendetta against ? How about this. All of season 2 I played with them, and I felt that they did the job, but then a Platina friend asked me to try the . I thought about it, and then figured that I had attack speed enough, AND also, I needed the MR against a hard poke support, and the CC reduction, why complain?. I don't get the point of getting when you can get , I honestly don't.

Thank you for the article about the , now I know, its not worth it, thx.

Did I forget to mention anything? Anyways, tell me if I did. That's all, have a nice day.

Suggestion: Don't get taken in by peer pressure ._.

For , even though the slow is reduced, it does still help you survive better than if you got , since even a reduced slow helps you kite, and the AD adds to your lifesteal value.

EDIT: According to the Mobafire database, the ranged slow effect is 30%, which is pretty darn big.

You're right about being a staple item on some ADCs. However, that doesn't apply to every champion. That item is a great pick on duelist-type champions like and , but not so great on ADCs that are more spell-oriented like and . Also, just because you don't see an item being built doesn't mean it's bad, and vice versa. For example, is just a bad item in general, yet you still see it at times.

Just because you get to proc twice as much doesn't mean you should waste an item slot for Hurricane. If you build and (Standard core on ) you're already at over 50% crit rate. Also, you can't forget about sustain and ArPen, as well as your survivability item, which puts you at an item cap. Not only that, but Hurricane as an item is just not worth the gold. TLDR, you do not have the purpose, nor the capability, to buy Hurricane if you want to become a late-game terror that is supposed to be.

Now, about boots. is not a bad item, but you shouldn't be building it on an ADC. Against a hard poke support? I'll use as an example. She is just about the squishiest support in the game, and the range on isn't that much further than your auto attack range. If she tries to poke you, get a few hits on her and she won't do it much. Also, you can just lifesteal the damage back, since her damage really isn't that big of a deal. On a side note, that's also partly why you want to start . As for tenacity. Positioning in a team fight is one of the most important parts of playing an ADC successfully. In other words, you shouldn't be getting hit by CC at all. And if you really want that tenacity, there's this thing called that you can replace boots with, since it also grants speed and attack speed.

Oh yeah, a bit more about .

If you start with a , you can get a maximum of 2 s. (You shouldn't be getting mastery on an ADC anyway.)

Each heals 150, so you can get a total of 300HP in sustain.

allows you to heal 5 HP PER HIT.

In other words, the sustain provided by the two items balance out at 60 auto attacks, which is something that can be achieved very easily. I mean, if you're any decent, 60 CS should be achieved by around 7 to 8 minutes, and during this time you will be auto-attack harassing the opponents as well. It also gives you far more flexibility as to WHEN you want the sustain, and the sustain effect stays until you sell the item. Oh, and that 80 bonus health will help you stay alive.

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I stopped reading at the third yellow word.

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Considering I really don't down vote guides this one actually made me change it to the all terrible dv. The reasoning behind this is because you really come off in your guide as a complete pompous ***, and in a place that basically runs off pompous ***es that's saying something. -1

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Bronze I for the both of you. Nuff said.

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-1 for the introduction alone.

Then you add in the rest of the ********.

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I would like to ask everyone that commented this far one thing. Did you not notice what I did here? xD I put out something that was un-finished, and what did I get? I got "80% **** YOU, YOU SUCK" and I got 20% of real criticism. I also learned that the , was not worth it. I call that a win, and have fun hatin' guyz

Your assumption is that posting an unfinished guide, to be completed later, is okay. Guess what? It is not okay. So either create a new one and republish only when it's done, or suck it and live with all the downvotes.

Guide content is still **** btw.

The overall ADC guide for S3

The overall ADC guide for S3

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