[EUW] Joxuu's ranked support/adc/jungle thread.

[quote=Joxuu]Dis teamcomp and game xD [spoiler][IMG]http://gyazo.com/28f7623315b6084fcc1be259346ed3e2.png[/IMG][/spoiler] The breakdown: 1. Diamond V [[Gangplank]] who decides to go mid with Crit GP 2. a guy who only plays [[Annie]] and goes top 3. ADC who claims to suck balls as ADC(according to build, may be true) 10 minutes and [[Annie]] is already destroying inner turret, with 3-3-3 stats, other lanes are loosing or even. ~15 minutes and [[Annie]] is 10-3, we get caught at Dragon and loose 4 guys for 1 and loose Dragon, we are heavily behind. 20 minutes and we ace everyone by killing caught [[Tristana]] and [[Jarvan IV]] middle 22 minutes we go baron, enemy team comes when it's 3000 hp and our jungler [[Nautilus]] gets headbutted over wall by [[Alistar]], but somehow manages to smite the Baron over CC'd [[Jarvan IV]] and we end up only loosing me and we ace them. 26 minutes we rush to the enemy jungle and find [[alistar]] which we take down to low hp, then lone [[Jarvan IV]] ultimates [[Caitlyn]], but gets down fast. Then wild flash [[Darius]] comes and deals 300 dmg to [[Caitlyn]] and dies. then we rush to base and clear [[Syndra]] and win game.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]how does 3/3 annie suddently get 10/3?[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Dude Annie is hands down the best champ to carry with. I just went 16/5 and was literally 1v3ing the enemy team that was ahead 10 kills.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Thalia Kael] Dude Annie is hands down the best champ to carry with. I just went 16/5 and was literally 1v3ing the enemy team that was ahead 10 kills. [/quote] Never seen so much bullshit in my life.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I'm telling you she's ridiculously strong Great early game Great late game Great mid game Great laning Great roaming Great CSing all moments in the game Great dueling Great Bursting Great Sustained DMG Great AoE Great Single Target Great CC Not even squishy if built properly Best taunt in the game Can handle getting ganked very well Can handle having a gank very well Few weak matchups Many strong matchups[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Thalia Kael] I'm telling you she's ridiculously strong Great early game Great late game Great mid game Great laning Great roaming Great CSing all moments in the game Great dueling Great Bursting Great Sustained DMG Great AoE Great Single Target Great CC Not even squishy if built properly Best taunt in the game Can handle getting ganked very well Can handle having a gank very well Few weak matchups Many strong matchups [/quote] As a mid-lane main, I can tell you that she's shit. Gets outranged by nearly every matchup, has like awful dps, burst is mediocre unless fed or has a full item build, has 1 useless skill and has no mobility, gap-closer or escape ability which means she doesn't fit the meta. [[Annie]]'s days as a great mid-laner have long since passed, new mages go more mobility and are less item dependent and they possess more range, utility and mobility. If you wanna play [[Annie]] for fun, that's fine. If you want to master her in order to win a lot of games with her, that's fine. However, objectively speaking; she's pretty crappy compared to all the other options.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Because she isn't one of the meta's favored champions doesn't mean that she's shit or unviable. And I don't know why you say her burst is mediocre. In the late game anybody under 2500 health is getting instantly killed by her combo. If she's fed, you can push that to 3000 health. And her E is far from being useless. Let's say I'm dueling an ADC without my full combo. Let's also say I'm level 18 and have 400 ap. My E is doing 60+80 magic damage to him each time he autoattacks me and am block a good deal of his damage with the 60 bonus armor. If I have Zhonyas, that's quite a bit of armor. It also has great synergy with her passive. It makes charging up stacks easier and you can "pretend" you don't have your stun up by having 2-3 stacks and then (if you have 3) E+Q/W/R the enemy(ies). And her burst is so scary without being fed yet that against most mid laners the moment you hit lvl 6 you can zone them out because they know what's coming. If not against most mid laners you can just burst them and kill them. Another thing with her is that all of her spells are easy to hit and 2 of them deal instant damage. She will never go oom in lane because her Q refunds the mana cost when you use it to last hit. This is one of the reasons she's such a good cser. And later in the game your W will be 1 shotting full waves. I also forgot to mention that she's a good pusher with Tibbers. He deals decent damage to towers and she can use him to tank it for her team. But another thing that makes her stand apart from standard bursters is that she also deals huge sustained damage with her E, Tibbers, her low cd Q and medium cd W. When you consider the time that Tibbers is alive her ult doesn't have that long a cooldown either, considering how strong it is. She can also use Tibbers to kite, to block skillshots, to peel for her team, to scout, to block the enemy's path and all kinds of other things. Her passive is one of the best in the game. It's basicly a point-and-click AoE stun that can be used multiple times in a teamfight.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]And remember I didn't say that she's the best mid lane in the game. I said she's the best champion to carry with. Of course I'm exaggerating, but it's not that far off. As long as you play better than the enemy mid laner and your jungle plays as good or at least close to as good as theirs, the game is pretty easy to win. I mean like your botlane can feed as much has it wants but it doesn't really matter if their ADC is constantly dead because you can instaburst him. Even if he gets GA you can kill him quite easily (assuming you have Void Staff in your build and are not more than 1 item behind him) because by the time his GA revives him your Q and probably your E will be back up in time to kill him. And if you saved your E, it'll also stun him again.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Thalia Kael] Because she isn't one of the meta's favored champions doesn't mean that she's shit or unviable. And I don't know why you say her burst is mediocre. In the late game anybody under 2500 health is getting instantly killed by her combo. If she's fed, you can push that to 3000 health. And her E is far from being useless. Let's say I'm dueling an ADC without my full combo. Let's also say I'm level 18 and have 400 ap. My E is doing 60+80 magic damage to him each time he autoattacks me and am block a good deal of his damage with the 60 bonus armor. If I have Zhonyas, that's quite a bit of armor. It also has great synergy with her passive. It makes charging up stacks easier and you can "pretend" you don't have your stun up by having 2-3 stacks and then (if you have 3) E+Q/W/R the enemy(ies). And her burst is so scary without being fed yet that against most mid laners the moment you hit lvl 6 you can zone them out because they know what's coming. If not against most mid laners you can just burst them and kill them. Another thing with her is that all of her spells are easy to hit and 2 of them deal instant damage. She will never go oom in lane because her Q refunds the mana cost when you use it to last hit. This is one of the reasons she's such a good cser. And later in the game your W will be 1 shotting full waves. I also forgot to mention that she's a good pusher with Tibbers. He deals decent damage to towers and she can use him to tank it for her team. But another thing that makes her stand apart from standard bursters is that she also deals huge sustained damage with her E, Tibbers, her low cd Q and medium cd W. When you consider the time that Tibbers is alive her ult doesn't have that long a cooldown either, considering how strong it is. She can also use Tibbers to kite, to block skillshots, to peel for her team, to scout, to block the enemy's path and all kinds of other things. Her passive is one of the best in the game. It's basicly a point-and-click AoE stun that can be used multiple times in a teamfight. [/quote] I'm sorry that you spent so much time typing something about something you obviously have no clue about. I know how [[Annie]] works and not just because she isn't one of the meta's favoured champs I call her bad. I call her bad for all the reasons I just stated in my previous post. Also, definitely don't call me on not liking champs which are not popular because everyone knows here those champs are my thing. Additionally, I recommend you to read properly because I didn't call her unviable or complete shit. I called her weak in comparison to other mid-laners. She offers less utility than most, has lower dps than most, lower burst than most and lower range. But don't worry, let me sum it up for you [list] [*] [[Ahri]] - Higher mobility, DPS and range. [*] [[Akali]] - Despite the fact she shouldn't be played mid, [[Akali]] still trumps [[Annie]] in DPS and mobility. Her burst is most likely higher as well. [*] [[Anivia]] - Better waveclear, more versatile in building and far more utility. [*] [[Brand]] - Higher range and equal in burst. That's it, [[Brand]] is fairly shit as well. [*] [[Cassiopeia]] - Enormous range, incredibly DPS, slightly lower burst but makes up for that with better utility. [*] [[Cho'Gath]] - Uncommon but viable. Massive CC, higher range and definitely higher burst. [*] [[Diana]] - Higher burst, higher DPS, tankier and better mobility. [*] [[Evelynn]] - Far higher DPS, more versatile and better mobility. [*] [[Ezreal]] (AP) - Way higher burst, ridiculous mobility, better range. [*] [[Fiddlesticks]] - Better range, better utility and better teamfighting. [*] [[Fizz]] - Higher burst and better DPS. Insane mobility as well. Also better initiate. [*] [[Galio]] - [[Annie]] trumps him in terms of DPS and Burst. Not in mobility but yeah, [[Galio]] is shit so... [*] [[Gragas]] - Far higher burst, shit DPS but makes up with that through great range. Also, better utility. [*] [[Karthus]] - Best DPS world, more utility and more range. [*] [[Kassadin]] - Higher mobility, better DPS, higher burst, higher utility and more versatile. [*] [[Katarina]] - Higher mobility, better DPS, higher burst, higher utility, more versatile and godlike teamfighting. [*] [[Kayle]] - Greater utility and far higher DPS. [*] [[Kennen]] - Not even comparable. Massive utility, similar burst and high DPS. Also, very versatile. [*] [[LeBlanc]] - Bad champ but at least she has higher utility, better burst and much higher mobility. Then again, she sucks at waveclearing. [*] [[Lissandra]] - Trumps [[Annie]] at waveclear, DPS, utility and mobility. Burst is lower but no one cares. [*] [[Lux]] - Huge range, higher burst, lower cool down burst and higher utility. Comparable DPS. [*] [[Malzahar]] - Higher burst and higher utility. DPS is also a bit better. Rest is the same, Malz is weak as well. Might even be a bit weaker than [[Annie]] if enemies rush [[Quicksilver Sash]]. [*] [[Morgana]] - Similar burst, safer farmer, better range, much higher utility and far more versatile. [*] [[Nidalee]] - Better range, higher utility and similar burst. Also, much higher mobility. [*] [[Orianna]] - Similar burst, higher range, better utility and more versatile. [*] [[Ryze]] - Lower range, much better DPS, burst is similar and very versatile. [*] [[Swain]] - Better range, much stronger DPS, very versatile and stronger laning phase. [*] [[Syndra]] - Much higher burst, better utility, better DPS and higher range. [*] [[Twisted Fate]] - Not even going to discuss. [*] [[Viktor]] - Much higher burst, much higher DPS, higher utility and similar range. [*] [[Vladimir]] - Much higher DPS, similar burst and his ult trumps [[Annie]]'s low range stun in utility. [*] [[Xerath]] - Much higher range and burst, similar DPS and more potent stun. [*] [[Zed]] - Higher burst and higher DPS. Lower utility but better mobility. [*] [[Ziggs]] - Higher range, better DPS and better utility. [*] [[Zyra]] - Higher range, better DPS, better burst and higher utility. [/list] Questions?[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Thalia Kael] I'm telling you she's ridiculously strong Great early game Great late game Great mid game Great laning Great roaming Great CSing all moments in the game Great dueling Great Bursting Great Sustained DMG Great AoE Great Single Target Great CC Not even squishy if built properly Best taunt in the game Can handle getting ganked very well Can handle having a gank very well Few weak matchups Many strong matchups [/quote] As a mid-lane main, I can tell you that she's shit. [/quote][/quote]