Manga/Anime You Read/Watch

[quote=YayaFTW][quote=Bludes] [quote=Searz] [quote=XeresAce] I was gonna recommend an anime for Jennifer but I'm at a loss of words LOL[/quote] Who's Jennifer? [quote=Bludes] Sword Art Online [...] I gave it a 9.5 out of 10 because I loved the concept. I am watching Fairy Tail. [...] this deserves 10/10. Really.[/quote] You just threw out any and all credibility you might have had. [/quote] What's so bad about FT? I love it. It has great humor, epic, szenes, great charakters a good story. ALl what you need or not? o: [/quote] He isn't having pressumptions about you because you watch Fairy Tail. It's because you rated it 10/10. I was like you once, blinded by bias. I remember my first post in this thread where I overrated [i]Katanagatari[/i] and suggested people [i]Sword Art Online[/i] and [i]Mirai Nikki[/i] to people lol. Searz and I don't remember who else slapped me on the face for that. But they were right, my opinion was just biased, and biased ratings are stupid and misleading. Now I'm starting to be careful on how I discuss an anime. I mean for example, I'm a diehard fan of the Monogatari Series. I love it. But if someone asks me whether he should watch it or not, I'd tell him that although the art and comedy are fairly decent, maybe even good, the ecchi and fanservice aswell as silly banter might not suit one's standards.[/quote]

[quote=Bludes][quote=YayaFTW] [quote=Bludes] [quote=Searz] [quote=XeresAce] I was gonna recommend an anime for Jennifer but I'm at a loss of words LOL[/quote] Who's Jennifer? [quote=Bludes] Sword Art Online [...] I gave it a 9.5 out of 10 because I loved the concept. I am watching Fairy Tail. [...] this deserves 10/10. Really.[/quote] You just threw out any and all credibility you might have had. [/quote] What's so bad about FT? I love it. It has great humor, epic, szenes, great charakters a good story. ALl what you need or not? o: [/quote] He isn't having pressumptions about you because you watch Fairy Tail. It's because you rated it 10/10. I was like you once, blinded by bias. I remember my first post in this thread where I overrated [i]Katanagatari[/i] and suggested to people [i]Sword Art Online[/i] and [i]Mirai Nikki[/i] lol. Searz and I don't remember who else slapped me on the face for that. But they were right, my opinion was just biased, and biased ratings are stupid and misleading. Now I'm starting to be careful on how I discuss an anime. I mean for example, I'm a diehard fan of the Monogatari Series. I love it. But if someone asks me whether he should watch it or not, I'd tell him that although the art and comedy are fairly decent, maybe even good, the ecchi and fanservice aswell as silly banter might not suit one's standards. [/quote] Finally a good explanation! So maybe I would give Fairy Tail 10/10 at the moment because I haven't seen so much to compare? I gave Mirai Nikki a 10, too. I think when I've watched more Animes the vote will change and I will start better thinking. Thx for the answer! I think I will try to think better which vote I would give. :s But I'm impressed that so much wouldn't give FT a 10. You know in this one forum it is in the charts the first one so I thought it was good. Maybe I should start making my own opinion but I liked it thought.. :s - Bludes[/quote]

[quote=YayaFTW][quote=MrCuddowls] It's old having to say this but: Go Watch the following then come back here and tell us what you think: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Cowboy Bebop Shingeki no Kyojin Code Geass Madoka Magica Evangelion [/quote] One thing I noticed about you Cuddowls is that you never adjust your suggestion list according to people's taste. Always the same FMA:B, CC, SnK, NGE, Bebop and Madoka. Seriously dude, do you really think Bludes would enjoy Evangelion? He rated Fairy Tail a goddamn 10/10. You should suggest him [i]Hunter x Hunter[/i] even if you think it's bad. Simply because it matches his taste in anime from what he posted. And stop with the Code Geass suggestions in general, really. It's not bad at all, I know. But it's really not for everyone.[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]That's a good point Yaya. Now the thing about Code Geass is this: You, Baka and Searz are not giving it enough credit. It's like you all watched it but never even thought about what was occurring to really get how wonderful the story is. It's complex even though at the start of every episode we get narration that literally spells out what's happening. The anime isn't just about war geniuses doing what they do best. It contains many motifs and symbolic elements as well as a story of loss, friendship, alliance, war and love. People might say "we don't want any of this, we only want the awesome war strategy" but those people are missing the whole point of anime as medium in general.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote = searz]Who's Jennifer?[/quote] [i]Taken straight from his BIO[/i] They call me OTG, or Jennifer. I main support and jungle. :3[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=YayaFTW] One thing I noticed about you Cuddowls is that you never adjust your suggestion list according to people's taste. Always the same FMA:B, CC, SnK, NGE, Bebop and Madoka. Seriously dude, do you really think Bludes would enjoy Evangelion? He rated Fairy Tail a goddamn 10/10. You should suggest him [i]Hunter x Hunter[/i] even if you think it's bad. Simply because it matches his taste in anime from what he posted. And stop with the Code Geass suggestions in general, really. It's not bad at all, I know. But it's really not for everyone.[/quote] Exactly what I was gonna say! Well put. [quote=MrCuddowls] You, Baka and Searz are not giving it enough credit. It's like you all watched it but never even thought about what was occurring to really get how wonderful the story is. It's complex even though at the start of every episode we get narration that literally spells out what's happening. The anime isn't just about war geniuses doing what they do best. It contains many motifs and symbolic elements as well as a story of loss, friendship, alliance, war and love. People might say "we don't want any of this, we only want the awesome war strategy" but those people are missing the whole point of anime as medium in general.[/quote] Cuddles, for the love of god(whom I know you love dearly), differentiate between your own personal preferences and critique. [quote=YayaFTW] Searz, have you read the manga [url=http://myanimelist.net/manga/23779/Kamisama_no_Memochou]Kamisama no Memochou[/url]? I'm about to start watching the anime version, so I thought you'd have an idea about whether the plot is good or bad.[/quote] Sorry, I've no idea. It looks okay-ish, but it's really not my style to read ecchi/romcom-y series. I'm a plot person :)[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Bludes] What's so bad about FT? I love it. It has great humor, epic, szenes, great charakters a good story. ALl what you need or not? o:[/quote] Actually, it has some decent humor at times. It's not as bad as Cuddles is making it out to be. Of course, I haven't seen more than a few episodes of the anime and have just been reading the manga instead, but I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of how bad the anime is. Fairy Tail isn't terrible. It has some good art and funny humor at times, but that's the manga. The anime has some pretty average(at best) animation and when one of the biggest positives are removed like that you're not left with a lot.. If I were to rate Fairy Tail I'd probably rate it at 5/10 for the manga and 4/10 for the anime. The [i]story[/i] is laughable. It's really bad. But that's exactly why I read it, to laugh at how bad it is :) It was fucking hilarious when Grey died, because I predicted exactly what was gonna happen. [quote=Bludes] Well, I like the humor and the charakters and the story. :O It's just my taste.[/quote] I think you, lil' guy/gal, need to learn to differentiate between personal preference and critique. Or well, learn about critique in general really.. When you use a scoring scale like X/10 most scores you give out should be around 5 to 8. Why? Because 5 is average, and it's more common that a series is average than it is that it is bad or great. It's that way with most things in life. When 5 is the most common rating for all series, why would I say that you should probably rate it at 5 to 8 then? Because people have a tendency to recommend good series to others, hence the better ones get watched more than the bad ones. [b]But honestly, I don't think you should even give it a numbered rating at all. Since you're clearly inexperienced with critique and critical thinking you should really try to stick to more vague ratings like "I liked/disliked it" and then describe what you liked and what you didn't.[/b] And not just "I liked the humor.", try to elaborate on why you liked the things you liked and why you disliked the things you disliked. Good luck learning critique.[/quote]

[quote=Bludes][quote=Searz] [quote=Bludes] What's so bad about FT? I love it. It has great humor, epic, szenes, great charakters a good story. ALl what you need or not? o:[/quote] Actually, it has some decent humor at times. It's not as bad as Cuddles is making it out to be. Of course, I haven't seen more than a few episodes of the anime and have just been reading the manga instead, but I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of how bad the anime is. Fairy Tail isn't terrible. It has some good art and funny humor at times, but that's the manga. The anime has some pretty average(at best) animation and when one of the biggest positives are removed like that you're not left with a lot.. If I were to rate Fairy Tail I'd probably rate it at 5/10 and 4/10 for the anime. The [i]story[/i] is laughable. It's really bad. But that's exactly why I read it, to laugh at how bad it is :) It was fucking hilarious when Grey died, because I predicted exactly what was gonna happen. [quote=Bludes] Well, I like the humor and the charakters and the story. :O It's just my taste.[/quote] I think you, lil' guy/gal, need to learn to differentiate between personal preference and critique. Or well, learn about critique in general really.. When you use a scoring scale like X/10 you need to think about how it's actually gonna work. Most scores you give out should be around 5 to 8. Why? Because 5 is average, and it's more common that a series is average than it is that it is bad or great. It's that way with most things in life. When 5 is the most common rating for all series, why would I say that you should probably rate it at 5 to 8 then? Because people have a tendency to recommend good series to others, hence the better ones get watched more than the bad ones. [b]But honestly, I don't think you should even give it a numbered rating at all. Since you're clearly inexperienced with critique and critical thinking you should really try to stick to more vague ratings like "I liked/disliked it" and then describe what you liked and what you didn't.[/b] And not just "I liked the humor.", try to elaborate on why you liked the things you liked and why you disliked the things you disliked. Good luck learning critique. [/quote] Thank you for the extensive advice! I just saw the title and wanted to write a bit didn't care about good critique just wanted to share things. I will care about "why and because" in the future. Thx! - Bludes[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls][quote=Searz] Cuddles, for the love of god(whom I know you love dearly), differentiate between your own personal preferences and critique. [/quote] Searz my friend, if I was to review Code Geass, that is what I would say about it. That is a critique. It is a critical analysis of the anime. That is not preference. Don't understand? Read my review of [i]The Disappearance oh Haruhi Suzumiya[/i] in which I state why the movie is amazing even though it has no Haruhi in it while you see every fan in the entire world constantly requesting to see more of the anime which has Haruhi in it all the time. [quote]The Suzumiya series has been an intriguing thing for me. The order in which the episodes aired was confusing at first. The plot was never the best part. I had the most fun watching the club just running around having fun, the baseball episode being my favourite. Haruhi would be the driving force for each episode. She would order the club around and they would have no choice but to comply or the world would end. This movie is nothing like that. First and foremost, the most discernible thing about this movie is the lack of Haruhi. Instead of employing Haruhi as the driving force behind what occurs, this movie instead utilizes Kyon and Yuki. We see Yuki in a brand new way. She now has feelings, crying and laughing. She is what sets everything in motion, not Haruhi. We now see Kyon reacting and changing as he goes through a dilemma that nearly drives him crazy. We see the effort he puts into escaping the trouble he falls into, as he goes through a journey of self realization. This movie is a fresh and innovative addition to anime as a medium. Portraying previously bland characters in new ways. Apart from the near perfect plot, only problems being very slow pacing at the beginning, the movie has wonderful music and animation is of consistent quality throughout the movie. This movie will satisfy die hard Haruhi fans and will surprise others who did not like it to such a degree and it is by far, Kyoto Animation's best work yet. [/quote] If you don't like my review of the movie then read this extremely reputable person's review of [i]Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood[/i] [i][/i] [spoiler] Adaptations have long been a thorn in the side of anime viewers, but not because they are inherently bad. No, the main problem has been that many studios have regarded the original work almost as an afterthought, and there are a number of shows that could have been wonderful if the writers had simply stuck to the original story. One of the issues at hand seems to be ownership as producers, writers and directors all seem to want the work to be reflective of their style and perception, and in order to stamp their mark on a show they will makes numerous unnecessary changes or additions. Admittedly there are times when the adaptation supersedes the original work, but more often than not the result is at best a decent anime, and at worst utter twaddle. And then there's the other side of the coin, where the anime adaptation sticks to the storyline set out in the original work. Normally one would expect these to be superior works, but in a strange irony this is not always the case. The problem with these types of adaptations is that the original work may not have been very good, or even have a suitable narrative, to begin with, and turning them into anime only seems to exacerbate their inherent flaws. Fortunately, the Full Metal Alchemist franchise manages to steer clear almost all of these pitfalls. The problem is, there are no other anime that have so evenly split the viewing public's opinion between the two versions of the series. Unlike the 2003 adaptation, Brotherhood is a faithful representation of Arakawa Hiromu's hit manga, and while many fans of the franchise laud it as the best thing since sliced bread, there are a number who consider the original anime version to be the superior tale. But we'll get to that in a bit. Many people will already be familiar with the particulars of the story, and in a very real sense the common perception is well formed. Unfortunately, one of the problems with liking something too much is that one becomes blinded to its flaws, and while Brotherhood has very few noticeable ones where the narrative is concerned, this also serves to make them stand out. The story is told in a very straight forward, no nonsense manner that is kind of refreshing given the penchant for filler episodes. The issue though, is that the content of the tale is much lighter in tone, much more typically "shounen" in its essence, than that of the first adaptation. One of the reasons for this is because the undercurrent of obsession amongst the main characters peters out towards the end of the story - a stark contrast to the ending in the first adaptation. Instead, these obsessive behaviours are effectively "de-humanised" by pushing them on to the non human characters. There is a very clear sense that the plot is geared towards a more typical shounen standpoint and mentality, and while the whole still works very well as a story, one does have to wonder if the writers for the first adaptation didn't steal a march on Arakawa. It's possible that she had to change her idea of how the tale should develop because the first anime version took a much darker path than most other shounen franchises. That said, the ending allows for a degree of catharsis that was missing from the first adaptation, and although there are some broad similarities between the two versions at times, in truth they are as different as chalk and cheese. As an added bonus this series is far less dependent on random comedic moments, and the difference this makes to the flow of the plot is palpable when the two versions are directly compared. One big advantage that Brotherhood has is that the seven year gap has allowed for improvements in various aspects of production, and it shows in a number of areas. The animation is more fluid than before, although admittedly the difference isn't really obvious at first and only really appears during large scale action set pieces. The character designs will be very familiar to any fan, but are subtly sharper and more defined than in the previous series. Interestingly enough, one of the biggest plus points for Brotherhood is actually its wealth of interesting characters. As one would expect, a number of the characters from the first adaptation appear in Brotherhood, but there are also several who are notable for their absence as they do no appear in the manga. Instead, a horde of new characters appear throughout the course of the series, many of whom have their own goals, ideals and personalities. Indeed the biggest difference between the two versions is the sheer number of people who all seem to have some impact on the story. For much of the series Edward and Alphonse Elric behave in a manner that many who have watched the first adaptation will find familiar, and one of the nice things about this is that familiarity is used to very subtly develop the pair into very different characters. The change in their personas happens very gradually, but by the end of Brotherhood one can see just how much growth the pair has undergone. Strangely enough, the most interesting additions to the series are actually Yao Ling and Olivier Mira Armstrong (Alex Louis Armstrong's older sister - but without all the muscle flexing), two of the supporting roles. Yao Ling presents a strange dichotomy for the series to tackle, and while he doesn't develop as much as he possibly could have, this is offset by the moral and ethical dilemmas inherent in his situation towards the end of the series. On the other Olivier Armstrong possesses some of the strongest characterisation in the whole story, and while she is without doubt a major player at certain points of the show, what makes her interesting is the fact that the viewer is never quite sure of her goals. There are a number of very strong characterisations in the series, but one of the things that is a little strange is the difference between the two versions where the homunculi are concerned. Unlike the first adaptation the homunculi in Brotherhood have very different origins, even though they still deal with similar obsessions. This raises an interesting perspective on the series as a whole, and is one of the reasons why Brotherhood is far more of a shounen tale than the original adaptation. The plot takes on a subtly lighter tone, even though it may not seem that way, once their origins are understood, and the main reason for this is the "de-humanisation" I mentioned earlier. The viewer is aware that these characters, though human-like in form, are not linked to humans in any way, and this awareness acts as a buffer so the viewer is less likely to question the actions and behaviour of the homunculi. In essence one is subjected to the ethos that monsters are evil and do bad things, which raises some interesting issues where Kimblee, Greed and the military's generals are concerned. The quality of the acting is possibly the main reason why Brotherhood is able to pull off its feat of developing not only the familiar characters, but also the new additions. Paku Romi and Kugimiya Rie reprise their roles as Edward and Alphonse Elric, but with the exception of a few roles, the remaining cast are very different from the first outing. Now normally one might consider this a recipe for disaster, but it's a testament to the quality of not only the actor's abilities, but also the scriptwriters, that this series easily stands shoulder to shoulder with the original. The music is very well composed and produced, and the series has a surprisingly large number of opening and ending themes, especially for 64 episode series. That said, fans of Brotherhood may find themselves in a bit of a quandary, especially if they prefer the OPs and EDs from the first series. As for the sound effects, they are handled in a decidedly competent manner that makes one wonder why other shounen anime seem to have trouble in this department. Granted there are occasions when there's a bit of a cacophony, but in general the effects are clear, bold, and well choreographed. Now unlike most viewers, I actually consider Brotherhood to be equal to the first series, and I don't really fall on one side or another. Like a number of fans my preference is for the much darker tone of the first series, however the cathartic ending of Brotherhood, as well as the improvements in production and animation, go some way to balancing the scales. Some people prefer the somewhat darker nature to Ed's character from the first adaptation, but in all honesty the rationale behind the two versions is very different, and while they're broadly the same character, that perception is only really valid until the last few episodes of either show. The same principle applies to Alphonse, Roy Mustang, in fact to most of the characters. That said, Brotherhood is just as entertaining and involving as its predecessor, and it's a testament to Arakawa's skill as a mangaka that she has been able to produce a tale that, at the very least, rivals the original anime adaptation.Yes, Brotherhood is more typically shounen than the other version, but the nice thing about this is that fans are given two very good versions of the same story, and that is something rare in anime. Now if only all remakes, revisions or reboots could be this good. [/spoiler] Basically: Telling me to separate critique and preference in that situation made no sense, try again.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=MrCuddowls] Searz my friend, if I was to review Code Geass, that is what I would say about it. That is a critique. It is a critical analysis of the anime. That is not preference. Don't understand? Read my review of [i]The Disappearance oh Haruhi Suzumiya[/i] in which I state why the movie is amazing even though it has no Haruhi in it while you see every fan in the entire world constantly requesting to see more of the anime which has Haruhi in it all the time. If you don't like my review of the movie then read this extremely reputable person's review of [i]Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood[/i] Basically: Telling me to separate critique and preference in that situation made no sense, try again.[/quote] You're fucking hilarious.[/quote]