Jarvan IV

[quote=Joshified]He has an absolutely absurd win rate and consistency. He has probably the single most devastating ulti in the entire game.. So why are other champs like Zac and Elise being hit by the nerf gun? They would be my personal choice of a counter against Jarvan and.. they seem to just keep making him stronger and stronger by removing his threats one by one. I would never really consider him to be over powered, but I just don't understand why a champion has stayed so high up in win rate for so long without any changes..[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Joshified] He has probably the single most devastating ulti in the entire game.. [/quote] Massive over-exaggeration. Even [[tumble]] counters it, and do you realize what a tiny range [[tumble]] has? His win rate is probably so high because he's easy to use, and he's quite effective when used even by a novice; you don't need to be a master of the champion to gank well with him, and he has high damage. In other words, easy to use, effective to use; as opposed to someone like Lee Sin, hard to use, effective to use IF played well. Edit: He's only got like a 52% win rate. If you're going by his win rate as a reason to nerf him, nerf the fuck out of Janna please. Edit #2: His ult is also countered by the ONLY summoner spell that's taken by every single champion in almost every single game.[/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Joshified] He has probably the single most devastating ulti in the entire game.. [/quote] Massive over-exaggeration. Even [[tumble]] counters it, and do you realize what a tiny range [[tumble]] has? His win rate is probably so high because he's easy to use, and he's quite effective when used even by a novice; you don't need to be a master of the champion to gank well with him, and he has high damage. In other words, easy to use, effective to use; as opposed to someone like Lee Sin, hard to use, effective to use IF played well. Edit: He's only got like a 52% win rate. If you're going by his win rate as a reason to nerf him, nerf the fuck out of Janna please. Edit #2: His ult is also countered by the ONLY summoner spell that's taken by every single champion in almost every single game. [/quote] humm so you wanna than to nerf Janna so you can Duo Mid with Talon over Support Vapora Plans 2013[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Joshified] He has probably the single most devastating ulti in the entire game.. [/quote] Massive over-exaggeration. [/quote] That sums it up. Yes, he is one of the strongest champions right now, but spammable gap closers make his life quite hard and his ganks aren't 100% reliable.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=Vynertje] That sums it up. Yes, he is one of the strongest champions right now, but spammable gap closers make his life quite hard and his ganks aren't 100% reliable. [/quote] This is wrong. He's the one who counters spammable gap closers and after 6 his ganks will ALWAYS blow at least a summoner or kill.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified]Flash doesn't counter Jarvan ;_; Jarvan counters flash because he forces you to HAVE to use it to escape. By forcing a flash he can just come back a minute later and secure a free kill.. I guess I over exaggerated. But his ulti is still stupidly powerful.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Joshified] He has probably the single most devastating ulti in the entire game.. [/quote] Massive over-exaggeration. Even [[tumble]] counters it, and do you realize what a tiny range [[tumble]] has? His win rate is probably so high because he's easy to use, and he's quite effective when used even by a novice; you don't need to be a master of the champion to gank well with him, and he has high damage. In other words, easy to use, effective to use; as opposed to someone like Lee Sin, hard to use, effective to use IF played well. Edit: He's only got like a 52% win rate. If you're going by his win rate as a reason to nerf him, nerf the fuck out of Janna please. Edit #2: His ult is also countered by the ONLY summoner spell that's taken by every single champion in almost every single game. [/quote] I wasn't really going off how high his win percentage is, rather the consistency of his somewhat high win rate. I don't think there has been a time in the whole yeah where he hasn't been in the top 10. It just seems a little too outrageous for him to hold such a high position for so long and for other contenders to the title being the ones hit hard by the nerfs. Janna has an exceptionally high skill cap coupled with her win rate, she has one of the most devastating teamfight utlimates and a very difficult laning phase to manage without the proper practice.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][[tumble]], [[arcane shift]], [[elastic slingshot]], [[Dark Flight]], [[90 caliber net]], [[playful]], [[body slam]], [[onslaught of shadows]], [[riftwalk]], [[Leap]], [[glacial path]], [[pounce]], [[Arctic Assault]], [[spinning slash]], [[vault breaker]] are some decet examples. also just the untergeted ones. yeah, [[jarvan]] is "op" but if riot nerfs him is simply due to popularity.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Pheyniex, you're implying that a good Jarvan would use his ult to close the gap, when that's what his EQ is for. He EQ's, W's and you're already taking a whole bunch of damage. If you don't blow your built in escape you're dead. THEN he ults and burns your Flash as well. Best case scenario for him is that he doesn't even NEED EQ as a gap closer, and gets you even after you Flash.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]ive been able to hook jarven with nautilus when he used his ult, i dunno if its a bug or not but ive been able to hook and stun him with Q[/quote]