Jungle Nation - Jungling Strategy Talk

[quote=SteppenKat][quote=C4 Lasty] [quote=SteppenKat] [quote=C4 Lasty] Yes he is. I've seen silver plays use Lee Sin properly. Elo has nothing to do with what champions are strong and weak. [/quote] I disagree. ELO defines how much you can pull of from a champion. People at Silver think AP [[Nidalee]] is bad, while anyone higher can tell you that it depends on the skill of the player. [/quote] You are incorrect, what people in different elos think of a champion is irrelevant. Tier 1 champions get to be tier 1 by their effectiveness overall in every league. To assume that all silver players have trashy mechanics or game knowledge is also incorrect. Some people are 'stuck' in silver because they try to play a bit of everything. Some players are stuck in silver because of low game knowledge or bad mechanics. I know silver Lee Sin players that have better Lee Sin mechanics than I do, they just play whatever champion they feel like playing atm and they have low game knowledge. Tier 1 champions are tier 1 because they are the strongest champions you can play, (regardless of your personal elo) in any particular role. [/quote] There is a reason why people at Bronze think that [[Garen]] kicks ass, and you can still him often played in Silver. Tier 1 champions in most Tier-Lists refer to champions played at their full potential. [[Elise]] is Tier 1 because of many things that honestly, you don't see often in Bronze level. She's a superb duelist the longer the game goes on, fills most roles for the team (has a lot of build flexibility), can juke with [[Rappel]], she's very good as an anti-bruiser, etc. [[Amumu]] however isn't Tier 1 in Diamond/Platinum because there, people actually know his peak moments and when and how to shut him down. He's fairly easy to counterjungle if you play a jungle duelist. How many people counterjungle in Bronze or Silver? Very few, tbh. This is why he's such a strong pick in those ELOs : he can carry teams if you let him get pass his earlygame. So yes, ELO is relevant when you discuss champion viability. Some champions are more viable in lower brackets while others have more potential in higher ranked play.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Sorry for pulling it off-topic lasty. Podcast was good, listened to it while playing a game, the whole skarner thing prolly lost my game though because i kept thinking about how the fuck anyone would succesfully play skarner at diamond 1.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Hah I used him as a Hecarim substitute when Elder Lizard was OP. When they would ban Hecarim I would lock Skarner and rush Elder Lizard. His Q melted people w/ Lizard.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Say, Lasty, what do you max on Vi? I personally max E but I just watched snoopeh play her and he maxed Q[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Everyone and their mother maxs Q on Vi. You max Q for the CDR/Dmg/Mobility. You start E, followed by W then max Q.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Vi has become strong again. According to tier list i read top 3 are jarvan, elise, vi. Also we having a rising start in jungle and his name is aatrox i could see him being next top 3 junglers once one of the top 3 are nerfed he is alot like lee sin his early game is really good at least i find his ganks are strong a knock up and slow and good dmg early and he has a revive i almost always get fp or give kill to lane because i can tower dive early and not die.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]If anyone would like to submit questions for tomorrows podcast I'll answer them on air.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=cooper56] Vi has become strong again. According to tier list i read top 3 are jarvan, elise, vi. Also we having a rising start in jungle and his name is aatrox i could see him being next top 3 junglers once one of the top 3 are nerfed he is alot like lee sin his early game is really good at least i find his ganks are strong a knock up and slow and good dmg early and he has a revive i almost always get fp or give kill to lane because i can tower dive early and not die. [/quote] I covered Aatrox in our last podcast. He's very feast or famine. If he doesn't snowball early he is very squishy/useless in team fights. I think he's better top lane personally not a huge fan of Aatrox jungle but most people disagree w/ me. I'm ready to call him tier 2 but I don't think he can compete w/ the big 4 when it comes to consistency.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I have a question: Which way do you personally prefer to get back into the game if you fell behind on? Feast on an enemy lane which is losing or AFK-farm?[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]All new questions will be answered on air. I'll give you a shoutout and answer your questions. Keep em coming.[/quote]