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[quote=Searz][quote=GrandmasterD] [[Runaan's Hurricane]] is a decent item but all alternatives give you more damage. The alternatives being: [[Phantom Dancer]], [[Statikk Shiv]], [[Blade of the Ruined King]], [[Trinity Force]]. Yes I know hurricane is cheaper than all of them, however an AD carry wants to itemize for late-game and therefore you buy the items which scale best. Second, an AD carry is about high sustained single-target dps and not about hitting as many targets as possible. On top of all this, Runaan's doesn't provide any movement speed which is also a huge drawback.[/quote] Nice summary of the problems. I have stated a few times however that I'm not aiming to replace movement speed or durability for this item, I'm suggesting we try replacing crit with this item (and others tailored to fit the item). The next comment is about exactly this: [quote=tehAsian] Some have theorycrafted: "tank killing" build BoRK + Runaans + LW The problem with that was that it had very very little sustained damage, even against high HP targets, and ESPECIALLY against high hp targets with high armor. "life steal" build BT + BoRK + Runaans + LW The idea was you use the on-hit effect of Runaans to stay alive incredibly long in fights. The problem here, though, was that like any carry you'd be obliterated if you were even tapped with CC. "On-hit" build This isn't even an ADC build anymore o_o In all 3 situations the standard ADC build was proven to be superior because the crit scaling + attack speed + flat AD had more synergy with each other than Runaans will have with any other combination of items.[/quote] Well, BoRK is situational at best in my opinion. Not to be used unless serious HP stacking occurs. I propose something like: [[Zephyr]] + BT + LW + Hurricane or BT+BT+LW+Hurricane Assuming boots and 1 defensive item on both builds. The problem with the second build is movement speed. I wonder how viable MS quints would be.. And yeah, let's not even bother with on-hit builds.. We're going for ArP and high damage here, not durability+mixed damage(which is where most on-hit items really shine).[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Your proposed build would lack DPS on anyone who has no inbuilt form of damange increase (like vayne). Even then, it would lack single-target DPS.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Vynertje] Your proposed build would lack DPS on anyone who has no inbuilt form of damange increase (like vayne). Even then, it would lack single-target DPS. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Botrk is situational at best... at best.. I know you did not play LoL for a time, but even after the recent Botrk nerfs it is still there in most games. You say it is used against srs HP stacking, then what is Zephyr, BT, LW, hurrican for? If it is against Armor+medicore HP, then BT+PD/SV+IE+LW is the ultimate option to kill these. Your idea of tenacity was picked up by many other people, but tenacity does not help if you drop in 1> second.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Vynertje] Your proposed build would lack DPS on anyone who has no inbuilt form of damange increase (like vayne). Even then, it would lack single-target DPS.[/quote] How many times do I need to write it? This is SPECIFIC TO CAITLYN. I doubt work well with any other champion except for [i]possibly[/i] Varus.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Searz] That's the thing: [b]it isn't.[/b] It's normally not that great, but on Caitlyn specifically it works very well because of her passive and long range. [/quote] ok go look at all of the LCS games in the past few months and name ONE GAME where a caitlyn built hurricane ONE GAME also a few months ago caitlyn was a pick or ban before her AS nerfs, and still picked even after those nerfs so please tell me one game where a caitlyn built hurricane if its such an amazing item for her i mean im not one to blindly follow pro players but id like to think theyre using the best items/builds during championship games[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Searz] [quote=Vynertje] Your proposed build would lack DPS on anyone who has no inbuilt form of damange increase (like vayne). Even then, it would lack single-target DPS.[/quote] How many times do I need to write it? This is SPECIFIC TO CAITLYN. I doubt work well with any other champion except for [i]possibly[/i] Varus. [/quote] Do the math. Caitlyn DPS with a standard build: 55% crit chance, let's say she crits 900 and 500 after armor reduction. Including headshots and attack speed this would make about ~800dps. (~1500 before armor reduction) Your build has about 300 ad, 0 crit chance. You get about 2.0 attack speed and you have headshot every 3rd hit. Even if you'd hit twice every second (which is impossible because of kiting restrictions) that would be 600*1.5 + (300x0.33*1.5) = 1050 dps. Before armor reductions. This is assuming you hit one bolt all the time.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=OTGBionicArm] [quote=Thalia Kael] Also not sure if someone mentioned this but it can make freezing/notwantingtopush harder [/quote] As mentioned above one of the only good reasons to build it IS to push... with [[teemo]]. [/quote] Yeah but usually the splitpusher is not the ADC and many ADC like to freeze and farm safely And as for pushing with your team it won't really help aside from getting turret aggro by accident[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Thalia Kael] [quote=OTGBionicArm] [quote=Thalia Kael] Also not sure if someone mentioned this but it can make freezing/notwantingtopush harder [/quote] As mentioned above one of the only good reasons to build it IS to push... with [[teemo]]. [/quote] Yeah but usually the splitpusher is not the ADC and many ADC like to freeze and farm safely And as for pushing with your team it won't really help aside from getting turret aggro by accident [/quote] Sometimes (especially in competitive play) the ADC wants some form of waveclear because they lack it as a team, they usually get shiv in such games.[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][quote=Searz] Please add something of substance next time. We already have plenty of shit posts like this in the thread, we don't need more. [/quote]No point adding anything of substance when I'd only be repeating what others have said. Besides, you wouldn't care and would just insult me anyway.[/quote]