Veteran player getting back into LoL S3, what...

[quote=Searz][quote=xIchi] If you pick up Zephyr for the MS... better pick up Stattik Shiv?[/quote] Nope, no IE to make use of that CrC, so Zephyr would work better. Check out the calculations and the builds there. [quote]SV is a good example, at the beginning of Season 3 it was labaled as a crap item, same as Runaans is right now, but developed into a highly recommended item on most ADC.[/quote] Wait, Spirit Visage? That was labeled as crap? O.o [quote=GrandmasterD] AD Carries are 'hired' for their high single-target dps and not for multi-target dps.[/quote] Why so? What makes you write that? Because it's the norm among carries? Are there good reasons to deviate from the norm other than that hypothetical bruiser going after you? [quote]Math isn't everything[/quote] When have I ever written that? Don't state the obvious.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Sorry I meant Stattik Shiv, and bout your build. Even without IE, a SS in your build would help more. To round this up a bit. Overall it seems more like you have this idea, and you really like it and want to prove. But srsly people tried it over and over in the time Season 3 was going, and none of them found Runaans to be better than any other items in their builds AND none of them found any better build for ADC. You are no exception, don't think that it is a new gamebreaking idea, there are millions of LoL players. Your flat AD build is not good and has less potential than the usual ADC build, and this is not due to us being stuck in the meta, but due to the meta and the item RIOT offering right now.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=xIchi] Even without IE, a SS in your build would help more.[/quote] If SS = Shiv then I'm actually pretty sure you're wrong. [quote]Overall it seems more like you have this idea, and you really like it and want to prove. But srsly people tried it over and over in the time Season 3 was going, and none of them found Runaans to be better than any other items in their builds[/quote] Yeah, I do like the idea. But it's not like I'm dead set on it being great. I just want proper reasoning and logic behind why it isn't up to snuff. There has been a great deal of bad logic in this thread and I've been greatly annoyed by it. After my calculations I think the the final piece of the puzzle fell into place. It seems at least kind of viable. But I will have to agree that a standard ADC build will likely work better in most circumstances. That does however not make it bad, don't confuse bad with decent, they have completely different meanings. [quote]gamebreaking idea[/quote] Why would it be gamebreaking? O.o I'm pretty sure I've never mentioned such a thing.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]If you want to call it SS, Shiv, Stattik or whatever, thats up to you. I also never used PD, but that's just personal preferance. And if you want to do some research, google about it. You will find the same results everywhere... and if that's not convincing, then I don't know what kinda logic you want[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]it doesnt matter if the logic is good or bad it doesnt change the fact that hurricane isnt nearly as good as the other item choices, and theres is nothing more annoying than trying to tell someone something is bad or wrong but they insist its the best option but at least it only took 10 pages for you to agree that hurricane isnt as good as the standard adc build also its the "norm" for an adc to have high single damage DPS because its the most optimal thing to do, and because nine times out of ten there is going to be that hypothetical bruiser right in your face during games, its going to happen much more often than 3 hypothetical champions standing close enough to make hurricanes passive worth it[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=xIchi] if you want to do some research, google about it. You will find the same results everywhere...[/quote] On crit builds, yes. Because as has been highlighted in this thread: they are generally more effective. On AD builds, no. I CBA to prove you wrong thorough analysis with proper math, but since I've already made some extensive calculations once in this thread why don't you try doing that for a change? [quote=DillButt64] it doesnt matter if the logic is good or bad[/quote] Oh my god. This is so seriously stupid it's almost signature material.. [quote]but at least it only took 10 pages for you to agree that hurricane isnt as good as the standard adc build[/quote] Realize is the wrong word. Conclude is the right word. [quote]Its the norm for an ADC to have high single target DPS because nine times out of ten there is going to be that hypothetical bruiser right in your face during games and its going to happen much more often than 3 hypothetical champions standing close enough to make Hurricanes passive worth it.[/quote] Fixed, and agreed. You don't say damage DPS. That's like saying: damage damage per second..[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]it only sounds stupid because you cut off the rest of the sentence lol point is, it doesnt matter how it gets explained the end result is still that hurricane isnt as good as the standard ADC items/builds[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DillButt64] it only sounds stupid because you cut off the rest of the sentence lol point is, it doesnt matter how it gets explained the end result is still that hurricane isnt as good as the standard ADC items/builds[/quote] Oh my god.. How the heck would I know that if all I was presented with was bad logic? Unless I'm presented with good logic, how could I reach the end result? Do think a bit more about what you're writing..[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]tbh. this is as responsive as talking to NicknameMy...[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]well you could just trust the people that have been playing all season and the plat+diamond players that told you it was a terrible item[/quote]