I pretty much wrote that you should never have Scrying Orb. I.e. read: should not be in your guide. Scrying Orb should never be a choice.

The same goes for Trinity Force. It should never really be there. There's just nothing worth replacing. Conversely the opposite applies for Last Whisper. I don't care that YOU always build it, what I care is that it isn't in the guide as a core item. It's not a just good item, it's a necessary item.



Remind what is under your 'core' items in the cheatsheet? Yes, I believe that's Blade of the Ruined King and not Bloodthirster. What's under 'other options'? Yes, I believe that's Bloodthirster. What's first in your 'example end build' (also, what isn't? Hint: Last Whisper)? If that wasn't an implicit (if not explicit) way to say BOTRK > Bloodthirster, I don't know what is. Bloodthirster is just superior in almost every single way. I think I've seen pros build BOTRK on Ashe maybe once every 30 games (if that). Bloodthirster should be under core, not Blade of the Ruined King.

There are no good reasons as to why Zephyr should be in your core build. She has more than enough mobility and kiting ability with just Q and W (and R if you really need it) that she will won't benefit much at all from Zephyr, ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that you substitute Last Whisper for it. It's even worse that you use it to replace Last Whisper which should be core instead. There are no explanations you can give to justify it. It's just straight up wrong. I've never seen a pro build Zephyr even with a 6-item build. Even boots do more than Zephyr.

Side note: I don't have to try something to know if it's trash or not. No Last Whisper is just straight up stupid - a tank's first priority items is Sunfire Aegis, which will nullify the damage you get from Ashe. They build a Randuin's Omen and you're nothing.

You missed the keyword there "stressed". He never said that you said that BotRK is better than The BT, but that you are indirectly saying that BotRk is better than BT.

The guide is still terrible nonetheless. There is no explanations at all, the chapter order is very different and not normal and the items you take are taboo for Ashe.

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It would be better to max volley if you went cd roots like it says in his build, so you could spam volley for for deeps.

Ultimate tranquility.

I didn't mean to say i took offense to your comment (I didn't) I meant to say that I took it as advice.

If you notice I have Stealth Ward next to the Scrying Orb meaning that you can choose what you want to pick. Never once in my guide did i say that Bloodthirster is not as good as then the Blade of the Ruined King. The Trinity Force is just an option to the build it is not a necessity. The point of this build is to give Ashe mobility to survive and strive in the team fights and laning phase, that is why I have Zephyr as a core item. I am not saying the Last Whisper is not a good item, it mixes really well with the build, I normally build Last Whisper. I just made this so people can "try" it, if you haven't tried it then why even comment. I am not saying to just straight up join a solo que game and follow this build you can add your own variations to it to make possibly better.

Don't worry, I do believe you. But it was nothing more than a theory. Everyone can be suspicious sometimes, its part of the human nature. :P

I don't really see why you would ever need Scrying Orb, more so on Ashe when you have Hawkshot.

Maintained is also correct when he said Q>E as second max. Except maybe when you're freezing lane for 20 minutes. Then it may be acceptable to take 1 or 2 more points in E, but even then, I think the utility afforded by Q max is still a better.

I also think Warlord is pretty ****ty pickup, because it adds nothing early game and gives negligibly late game. If it wasn't just bonus AD, it might have been worth it for early game, but it's just really useless throughout the game. You're probably better off with Spell Weaving and Blade Weaving , as well as the last point in Fury .

Trinity Force is a poor pick up in any situation, especially compared to the things you'd remove.

You neglected Randuin's Omen from your list of defensive items.

Last Whisper is core. Not putting this in is worth a downvote in itself. Zephyr is also by no means core.

Ionian Boots of Lucidity is a pickup for a slightly different style of Ashe play. Especially since you seem to stress getting Blade of the Ruined King over Bloodthirster (also, I think Bloodthirster is better than Blade of the Ruined King solely due to the damage on Volley - Ashe isn't one to use autoattack harass more than Volley). Know thy synergies.

I also disagree with your first back options. If possible, your first back should be a BF Sword. It's worth staying in lane a bit longer (if possible) to farm an extra 425g. Vamp Scep and boots should really be an option when you are forced back early. You also neglect the double Doran's Blade path.

So yeah, your guide doesn't offer more than any of the other Ashe guides out there as well as having some critically wrong content.

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It's whatever I don't know mclemmi. But there is nothing that I can say that will change you mind. I did take offense to your comment. I used it as advice but you can believe what you want

I doubt it, McLemmi troll commented on my guide, he probably downvoted it as well. But there is a possibility though, considering he did not make that much of a deal out of my feedback.

But that fact that McLemmi responded 31 minutes after I commented on this guide, leads to large suspicions.

ImThrilling updated his guide 16 minutes after I commented on this guide as well, hinting that he was active during the hour.

Whether he did it or not. That's up to him, I have no physical evidence, so I can't put it against him either.

What? Why would I call someone a ****** that is giving me advice on how to make builds

It's funny because McLemmi and ImThrilling are probably the same person.