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Full Tank Annie: Run and Stun

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Why don't u use but use ?

Thanks for your input, I experimented a bit with this build and reconsidered the items. Both are core items now. This build is doing a lot more damage now.

I don't understand why everybody flaming about that build. Guy already mentioned for a millions times that that build is for fun. And I don't think that build is such a bad idea. Especially if u mind what kind of people trolling in ranked, u may have to use that build so it doesn't harm to keep it in mind.
I just want to ask one think though;
Why don't u use but use ?

I play this build for fun mainly, part of the fun is that opponents usually buy magic resistance on top lane and you're getting focused in the first (or even more, if the enemy is stupid enough) team fight because nobody thinks you're going to play a full tank Annie.

I'm not sure if I can win against you at all (with any champion) because you're playing in diamond and I don't think I can beat diamond players, however like I said I play it just for fun and maybe I will learn something new. Count me in.

(386) |

You're really ignorant aren't you?

40 armor doesn't make you tanky, you always need a balance between health and resistances before you'll be any tanky. That means you're actually spending 1.7k before you're only reasonably tanky (but just as tanky as a 'real' tank with good base stats).

You're saying "at level 18 blablabla" but you're completely discounting the time it actually takes you go get level 18 -> the first 30-40 minutes of the game. Nor are you taking resistances / additional items / lifesteal into account. Mid game (which is defined as level 9-13) your full combo rotation won't deal more than 700 damage, and only 400-500 after resistances. And that is only if you actually get in range to the enemy ADC (annie only has one long-range spell so you're gonna get kited to death if you don't have flash).

If you dare, 1v1 me and I'll show you why A) Annie cannot handle the top lane and B) why your runes suck balls. If you actually manage to beat me fair and square, I'll remove my vote.

(60) |

The main reason no-one builds Annie tank is because as long as you can play LoL reasonably well you shouldn't be taking enough damage to warrant going full tank on ANY ranged champion, including Annie, bceause the goal is to do as much damage as you can without dying, not to survive on over 2000 health every teamfight and do no damage.

@emoriam: I know that she works well with AP but that's not the point, this guide is about Tank Annie and not AP Annie, I never said you should do this in ranked (I even mentioned in the guide that I doubt that it's working in high elo) but it's fun to play in normal and it works, I appreciate your input nonetheless though.

@Vynertje: You're squishy before you have 720 gold to buy a tanky item and you don't use , yes. This is a weakness I'm aware of but it doesn't make the whole build useless, you can always farm near or under your tower. Flat AP is not good on Annie in general (doesn't matter what kind of Annie you're playing) because your damage doesn't come off until level 6.
You don't even need a gap closer with Tank Annie because you can just run under their tower with your team and AoE Stun. You can stun for 1.75 secounds every 7.4 secounds, if the enemy team doesn't focus you, it will easily cause the death of their ADC.
Go and calculate it, if you're level 18 and you have already you will do 1814 damage in 5 secounds (because of your 40% CDR you can use your Q twice) using all your abilities (that is without tibbers attack damage and passive damage because that would be even more), which is enough to burst down most ADCs.

(386) |

Shyvana actually has things that DO make her desirable in a teamcomp, while tank annie only has one: her ultimate stun.

Let's sum it up because apparently you don't know: Hydrid damage, a gap closer and incredible movement speed, tankyness, strong splitpush potential, relatively dominant laning phase after the first few levels and last but not least, INSANE mid game AoE damage.

Tank Annie has nothing that will actually make enemies focus you. Once you've dropped your first R-Q-W burst, your damage is done and no one gives a **** about you - you'll get ignored while your team dies. Oh and I forgot about annie's incredibly weak laning phase, especially with those runes. Once someone actually gets in range to you, there is no damage to get them off your back and you'll still be very squishy early game on. Going full tank without any early game power from runes/masteries also means you don't have the possibility to actually shut down weak lanes that easily outscale you going into late game.

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@emoriam: Her scalings are very good, yes but she also have a passive stun which is one of her strengths as well and with 40% CDR you can do a lot of stuns, why not abuse that?

I talked about abusing her scalings in the way of building AP ... I give up on that, bye

@emoriam: Her scalings are very good, yes but she also have a passive stun which is one of her strengths as well and with 40% CDR you can do a lot of stuns, why not abuse that?

@Vynertje: Tankiness comes mostly from items, masteries and runes, if you don't build tanky items with any other tanks, you die almost as quickly as Annie would with no items. If you compare her to other champs, for example: Shyvana's passive gives her 20 extra armor and magic resist, Annie's shield gives her 60 extra armor and magic resistance, which outranks Shyvana, however Shyvana has more life than Annie has. But Annie clearly has more CC than Shyvana.
How about explaining yourself a bit more instead of just saying "Tank Annie is bad, every 'normal' tank is better."?

(287) |

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You don't need the extra tankiness at level 1, like I said most top laners don't do enough damage and then on the other hand, Annie still does enough damage to counter them. Once you get your first item, the enemy can start crying because he or she will do zero damage. The only time I've lost my lane as Tank Annie, was when I was playing against .
And even if the game only lasts 20 minutes, scaling AP runes are way, way better for Annie, because when you're level 6 (or 7), you get more AP from them.
This build is not ditching her strengths, in fact you don't need a lot AP with Annie to burst down the enemy ADC because her scaling is 80%/85%/20%/80% which is a lot. With 40% CDR you're using her ability to stun to the max and also her (60 extra armor and magic resistance on full level) which is an underrated ability of her in my opinion.

Also, if Annie is supposed to be an AP Carry why do people use her as a support? Why is Lulu played as an AP Carry if she's supposed to be support? Ever seen Tank or Bruiser Lulu? Or Yorrick support? Blitzcrank/Tresh double jungle? Tresh as an AD carry? Teemo on botlane?
All these strategies can be pretty devastating if you do it correctly and you know the champs inside out. Also you need the right team composition of course, meanwhile AP Lulu is even played in High Elo.

There is no proof that there aren't top laners with decent damage because people like can easily kill you early on with your early game stats. Mentioning her scalings and claiming they're great, right, but this exatlcy counteracts your reasoning to not build in this directions. Under all circumstances is a poor item choice for .
Lulu isn't supposed to be support directly. Arguing with this is completely wrong because many supports can be played as AP Carries or tanks in lane or jungle. But this just proofs that you play them the way they're strong in terms of scaling and abilities supporting my opinion even more. I'm sorry.

(386) |

Not only is tank a terrible idea, the idea is poorly executed as well. There is no single reason to pick Annie as your preferred tank over any of the other tanky champions. The armor/mr buff doesn't mean she's a good tank. Else that'd mean would start being a good tank as well because all the defensive stats you get, are essentially doubled because you've got the passive.

Do you know these situations in teamfights where the enemy team plays under their tower and nobodoy is man enough to initiate a fight? With Annie you can just run under their tower to tower dive (and with your tankiness you won't mind staying there) and AoE stun your enemies with , which will lead your team to victory, if they focus the right champions. I was able to deal 1770 secounds of crowd control in a 40 minute game, note that these are all stuns and equals to 1011 level 11 stuns, 1180 level 6 stuns or 1416 level 1 stuns. With AP Annie or support Annie you can't abuse your stuns to that level because you're usually too squishy and have to back off after you used all your abilities. With 40% CDR your cooldowns equal 2,4/4,8/6/48 secounds, means you can do an AoE stun every 7,6 secounds. 1011 level 11 stuns in a 40 minute game are about 25 stuns per minute and this can be game changing.

With your AoE stuns and tower diving you're probably one of the best initators in the game, plus you usually deal enough damage to burst down most ADCs in 1vs1 as well.
Oh and I forgot, with and the right items (you need life because you're tanky enough) you're tanky as hell. With good strategy she can become a monster.

Thanks to both of you for your input, I will take it in mind when I'm editing the guide.

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