A penny for my thoughts* - The opinion of a reader

[quote=Latest Legend]Special [[talon]] delivery! It took more days than I hoped, but it's done. Note that I started reading a few days back, and I see you updated it while I was reading. So some parts may not apply anymore. There's still quite some stuff from before runes, masteries and item changes and if you like I can read it again after you've finished updating. I'm missing some sort of a conclusion at the end. Also, two video chapters. [spoiler=nitpick alert][quote]helps with last-hitting. [[Feast]] may not seem like much[/quote]Should be [[mastery feast]]([[[[mastery feast]]]]). [quote]I'm glad AD gets a % increase in masteries to now.[/quote]"to now" should be "now(,) too". (Also I would write "percentage" but that's me) [quote][[Frenzy]] isn't necessary.[/quote][[mastery frenzy]]([[[[mastery frenzy]]]]) [quote]First off, this is my current League and my [[Talon]] stats.[/quote]Image links are broken for me. [quote]to get out of "Elo hell" with, Talon could be your man.[/quote]Not linked to database. [quote]This used to be my bronze I smurf. ( Unfortunately now silver V :[ )[/quote]Also broken. The Masteries section still recommends 21/9/0 first. The Runes section isn't up-to-date either, but I guess you're in the middle of an update. (readers don't like it though, so actually I'm really angry. >:( ) [quote][[Tiamat]]????[/quote]Please change to "?!", this hurts my eyes!1!¡ In the "Vapora, your build is thrash" section, the section on [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] is outdated: it now gives 30AD and the cdr isn't listed. Same goes for IE, now 80AD. [quote]The fact that 25% crit chance will synergize with Youmuu's 15% crit chance, means the 25% crit chance actually good.[/quote]Missing "is" I think. [quote]+50% crit damage[/quote]200%->250% is a 25% increase, depending on how you interpret it. So perhaps it might be confusing to some. The "It isn't countered by armor" subsection of "Why this is better than a normal Talon build" still claims you take 4arpen marks. Also, the relative and absolute armor penetration values are out-dated. Multiple mentions of "ADC" and "AD carry", should be "Marksman". [quote]but let's just go back a sec.[/quote]Should that be "for a sec"? The "Armor vs Talon" has some out-dated numbers and mentions masteries from S3. Same goes for "Why crit chance?" [quote]It causes a crit to do x2.1 of your total AD, rather than x2 of your total AD.[/quote]There's a special × character which might look better than x. But I think "2.1 times" would be easier to read. [quote]But in my opinion, Infinity Edge is great because it means you can burst enemies down just with E and auto-attacks, rather than needing your full skillset up, and it gives WAY more damage than The [[Bloodthirster]] when you're just auto-attacking without using spells, as your spells aren't always up.[/quote]Is it just me or does this sentence give others a headache too? xD [quote]But hey, what does my opinion matter, I'm only a long time Talon main who's playtested this in over 100 games, and stolen the idea from another long time Talon main who's playtested it in over 600 games. :/[/quote]"Talon" isn't linked and I think "stolen" should be "stole" as the theft is finished already. Perfectum indicativus, I think, if that rings a bell. It might be worth mentioning in the "Item Order" section that [[tiamat]] already gives some extra healt regen for sustain. [quote]by playing well, sustain and tankiness becomes unnecessary.[/quote]"become" [quote]to make use of his killer AD ratios, which in turn, also gives him huge crit damage.[/quote]I would put a comma after "which", and perhaps remove the comma after "ratios". [quote]if after building my [[Boots of Mobility]] they aren't building any armor, instead of going straight for [[Last Whisper]], I build [[The Bloodthirster]] instead.[/quote]"instead" is unique, you can't stack it. :P How do you feel about [[banshee's veil]] as a (temporary) [[guardian angel]] alternative? [quote]For example, if your champ were level 7, and you use a spell[/quote]Should that be something like "were to use" or "would use"? [quote]If instead, you use a spell you haven't been maxing which does 70 damage[/quote]Comma after "If"? Or you could place "instead" after "damage". [quote]For 60 mana, you not only did the ~75 damage from W, but also however much damage through auto-attacks you could land thanks to the slow.[/quote]What's "however" doing there? Perhaps adding some icons will break your wall of text a little. Suggestion(for the Mana Efficiency section): [center][size=7][icon=cutthroat size=32] [icon=noxian diplomacy size=32] [icon=rake size=32] [b]AA AA[/b][/size][/center] (I am NOT a coding wizard) [quote]and you don't know if the enemy jungler was on their way to gank you[/quote]"his" or "her". [icon=vi]Or both, I don't care. [quote]P.S., not really[/quote]The comma isn't necessary. [quote] Talon's levels 1 and 2 are quite decent vs meelee champs ([...]), but people tend to underestimate it a lot.[/quote]"it" and "levels 1 and 2" are incongruent. [quote]If you're actually losing the lane, but they're 70% HP or less[/quote]"at 70% HP or less" or "they have 70% HP or less" [quote]( or is Anivia )[/quote]Perhaps [[anivia]] would be nice. The "Early-game ( Laning Phase )", "New Videos" and "Pre-season updates go here" chapters don't have the fancy banner. [quote]This does NOT work if the enemy team has an [[Oracle's Elixir]].[/quote][[oracle's extract]][/spoiler] It's a bit hard to say something about some parts while they're still mostly S3 oriented, but overall the guide feels very complete because of the massive explanations and the huge gameplay section. That said, it can feel a bit like a wall sometimes. I've said it before, I'll be gone for a week(in about 2 hours xD). So Pallis123 I'm afraid it'll take a while until I finish reading. (at least a week, no internet)[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Thanks, there was a lot of small stuff there I hadn't noticed. [quote=Latest Legend]"instead" is unique, you can't stack it. :P[/quote] shut up ur not my mom[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Vapora Dark]Thanks, there was a lot of small stuff there I hadn't noticed. [quote=Latest Legend]"instead" is unique, you can't stack it. :P[/quote] shut up ur not my mom[/quote]Glad I could help. Also, I'm back from my internet-less week. I still have Pallis123's guide on the list and after that I'll move on to the new requests(?).[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Pallis123]Could you review my Taric guide? :D[/quote] As said earlier, sorry for the outrageous delay. The guide features huge explanations for almost everything you do, and I think that's a very good thing. The matchups and synergies sections are a reader's dream. Just that bit of information you want to read while loading a match. I don't understand your use of [i]italics[/i]. Compare your use of italics in the Runes section and the Abilities explanation section, for example. For what reason do you use italics and what should a reader expect when he sees a paragraph in italics? Lastly, some sort of a conclusion might be nice. The "word of thanks" section does indicate the end of the guide but some sort of a short roundup may prove helpful, especially because the guide is on the large side. [spoiler=nitpick alert]The [[ancient coin]] start in the cheat sheet doesn't have a trinket listed. You might want to add "START" to all the starting option titles, so that it's very clear that only one of the four options should be bought. In the notes added to the MAGIC RESIST cheat sheet chapter:[quote]Mikael's Crucibly[/quote] Perhaps another reason to buy [[banshee's veil]] is to be able to initiate. You talk about [[banner of command]] in the UTILITY cheat sheet section but you don't list it in the cheat sheet section or in the textual part of the guide. If you're listing [[morellonomicon]] in the UTILITY cheat sheet you might as well consider adding [[abyssal scepter]] and [[zeke's herald]]. None of the entries in the STRONG AGAINST and WEAK AGAINST sections in the cheat sheet have any description. I'm not sure if this is a problem on my side or if you didn't add one. Short summaries of the matchups section may be nice. You're using "however" a lot, and in a way that you're repeating yourself. Example: [quote]You can practically only trade if Dazzle is up. However Taric can not trade well himself, he can get poked very hard.[/quote]Suggestions: "He can get poked very hard, though." "However, he can get poked very hard himself." "But he is quite vulnerable to poke". Or use "to the contrary" or whatever. As long as it's not only "however" and not always used in the way that you repeat yourself. In case your main language is Dutch(I think I'm assuming everyone to be a Dutch speaker by now...), "however" is not the same as "hoewel"(although) if it's used at the beginning of a sentence without a comma. At the beginning of a sentence without a comma it means something like "in whatever way". At least that's how I think it is, correct me if I'm wrong. If a spell is both out of favor and outclassed then why isn't it a bad spell pick? Do you advise your readers to pick [[clarity]]? :P [quote]if the enemy has a healing dependent like Dr. Mundo] or Soraka[/quote]']'. As a side note, can "dependent" be used as a noun like that? Shouldn't it be "healing dependent champion"? [quote]Armor marks right now almost gives as much armor as armor seals do[/quote]"give" [quote]Armor marks right now almost gives as much armor as armor seals do, I take armor here, freeing up the use of seals for something else.[/quote]Suggestion: "As armor marks ... ". Or just use two sentences: "... as armor seals do. I take armor here, ..." How do you feel about [[greater mark of hybrid penetration]]? [quote]However Taric is mainly focused on armor[/quote]There he is again. I don't know why this upsets me so much but I think that for every time you use "however" you should have used "although". That doesn't take away you should definitely bring in some variation. You're using "AD carry" instead of "marksman". [quote]Defense assist him[/quote]"assists" [quote]fight with the enemy a bot lane a lot![/quote]What's "a" doing there? [quote]masteries like Block, Reocvery and Unyielding[/quote]"Recovery" The pictures of the mastery trees are outdated, there are four items on the second row in utility in the pictures while there are 3 in the cheat sheet. [quote]You can take either Imbue or Shatter second, depending on if you want stronger trading potential or a stronger heal first.[/quote]It's either a heal or stronger trading potential and no heal, not a stronger heal. (If that makes any sense xD) An extra point in [[dazzle]] doesn't only give a 0.1s longer stun duration but also a 1s cooldown reduction. I only played [[taric]] before the reworks, but I would say maxing [[dazle]] second is worth mentioning way more than maxing [[imbue]] first. I recall [[imbue]] as a waste of mana, but again I'm not up to date with the reworks. And even then the bonus HP scaling really starts to show itself later in the game. [quote]Gemcraft is often overlooked, but is what actually makes Taric so strong late game and possible also in trades[/quote]"possibly" [quote]if you can get up in melee range of the enemy.[/quote]What's "up" doing there? [quote]will deal bonus damage[/quote]Might be worth mentioning it's magic damage as physical damage is what I would expect. [quote]Gemcraft is considered an on-hit effect, and can crit[/quote]AFAIK the magic damage won't be amplified but the base attack can crit. [quote]It is actually something different than the heals from for example Sona.[/quote]Misses commas around "for example" [quote]The heal is stronger if only used on yourself.[/quote]I would say "is stronger if used on yourself" or "if used only on yourself" because "only if" is a "special" construction. [quote]The stun most of the time does more than the heal[/quote]I would put "most of the time" at the end of the sentence. [quote]The armor scaling on Shatter makes it very beneficial for Taric to buy some early armor (either through Glacial Shroud or Ninja Tabi)[/quote]You want me to buy both in most cases, right? A somewhat traditional tip for [[shatter]] is that you should always use [[radiance]] before [[shatter]] if you plan on using [[radiance]] because it empowers [[shatter]]'s damage too. [quote]you should not Always do that.[/quote]Is the capital 'A' intended? [quote]However you normally want to start trades with Shatter[/quote]"while" or "although". [quote]but it is very effective nonetheless and Taric's crowd control ability.[/quote]It reads a bit weird though I think it's grammatically correct. I guess it's just me. [quote]It has multiple different uses and is very versatile.[/quote]Having multiple uses is the same as being versatile. [quote]However early game it deals quite a lot of damage, late game it is mainly used for the attack damage / ability power boost to your teammates[/quote]Suggestions: "Although it deals quite a lot of damage early game, it is mainly used for the attack damage / ability power boost for your teammates late game." Or "It deals a lot of damage early game, but late game it's mainly used for ... " [quote]However the damage is strong for skirmishes, do not use Radiance in 1v1's unless you can secure a kill or force the enemy to back[/quote]^ [quote]you should consider getting two less biscuits and starting with a Stealth Ward[/quote]"two biscuits less"? In the starting items section you discuss the differences between [[face of the mountain]] and [[talisman of ascension]], but you don't mention the 20 extra movement speed from the talisman. [quote]if you want to rush a fast Sightstone[/quote]"rush" and "fast" imply the same. If you're up against heavy melee auto attackers like [[master yi]] or [[fiora]], would you still go for [[iceborn gauntlet]] if you're ahead? [quote]negating some of the enemy's poke, or, more important, denying an important ability[/quote]"importantly" [quote]However you would rather ask your midlaner to pick this up over Athene's Unholy Grail, getting Morellonomicon can help a lot against heavy healers[/quote] [quote]I normally find myself to get Homeguard or Captain.[/quote]"getting" instead of "to get" [quote]However this was not necessary in the early game, it will become now[/quote] [quote]However Talisman of Ascension does not make you as tanky as Face of the Mountain, it offers a better active and increased mana regeneration.[/quote] [quote]and you find yourself to roam or go back to base a lot[/quote]"roaming or going back to base a lot" [quote]you should consider getting Mercury Treads.[/quote]"Mercury's Threads" [quote]and you will win trade.[/quote]Missing "the". [quote]because otherwise you might not reach to the enemy because she just slows you.[/quote]Two becauses. And I think the "to" is unnecessary. [quote]all your damage being magic[/quote]I'm not sure whether this should be "magical" or not. [quote]For Thresh goes the same as for Blitzcrank and Leona, however this matchup is a little harder.[/quote]Misses a comma after "however". Or you can put it at the end with a comma before it. Good use of "however" though. I lol'd at the 6/5 of [[graves]]. gg wp You can fetch the images in the Gameplay section from the database like so: [icon=classic taric size=203] [[[icon=classic taric size=203]]] Not that it's necessary or anything. [quote]Be careful with not doing this too often though[/quote]Suggestion: "Be careful you don't do this too often though" [quote]because he has life steal from Doran's Blade and probably even runes[/quote]The age of the [[greater quintessence of life steal]] is somewhat over AFAIK. [quote]On the image above, you can see good places to ward in either your jungle or the enemy's jungle[/quote]It's the image below. [quote]There are a few people who deserve a special mentioning[/quote]Should be "mention".[/spoiler] I realize I mentioned it a few times but I think the "however" nitpick is worth some special mention. Not that it's catastrophic or anything, I think that this being the worst pick in my opinion means it's a good guide. I hope this helps you sharpening this gem up just a little more! :D[/quote]

[quote=Pallis123]Not going to react on every nitpick in general, but I feel like my guide is the worst ever right now, which is a good thing. xD About the however-thingy, I already got feedback on that by Meyhje and will look into it. I guess because I'm Dutch, I often use "however" instead of "although" because in our language it both means the same. :P Capital a: for some weird reason my computer tends to do that. I tried to erase every capital a, but I guess I forgot that one. About the other grammar / build nitpicks; I will take them into consideration and am currently editing the build. As soon as I finish, I will let you know so you can look again if you are happy then. :)[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]For some reason I'm not sure whether I should be happy about you feeling that way or not ^^ It's a good guide, really. [spoiler=omg latest is talking dutch]Voor de duidelijkheid: however in deze constructie betekent dus niet hoewel maar "hoe dan ook". Als je however als hoewel wilt gebruiken moet deze met een komma vergezeld worden. "Hoewel ik naar de bioscoop ga, ga ik eerst naar de supermarkt." "I'm going to the cinema. First, however, I will go to the supermarket". Of: "... I will go to the supermarket first, however." Derde optie: "However, I will go to the supermarket first." Makkelijker is dan: "Although I'm going to the cinema, I'm going to the supermarket first". "However I'm going to the supermarket first, I'm going to the cinema."(zonder komma) vertaalt in "Hoe ik dan ook eerst naar de supermarkt ga(met de auto, met de fiets, hoe dan ook), ik ga naar de bioscoop.". Merk op: when en whenever tegenover how en however. Maar als de banaan op de zaak zit dan denk ik niet dat ik iets heb toe te voegen.[/spoiler] I was already happy about all the guides I've read so far. In case you're wondering, I'm not voting on any of the guides I read here out of principles, not because I'm not happy about the guides or anything. This is a reading service after all :D [size=1]I'll be really happy if you remove those however thingies though >:)[/size][/quote]