7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Mooninites]There are not a set amount of champions in tiers. The point of tiers is to set constrains for what constitutes a tier 1, 2, or 3 and whether or not a champion falls within them. It's not to judge the top 50 or so champions. I mean if you would just read his initial post it says [quote] TIER EXPLANATION Tier 1 = best picks. almost always good. Tier 2 = situational. can be better than t1 picks in the right comp. Tier 3 = noticeable flaws but can work. IF IT ISN'T HERE I EITHER FORGOT IT OR I DON'T THINK IT IS WORTH PLAYING/PICKING. [/quote] Basically every champion in tier 2 and 3 is viable but has some issues.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Mooninites]There are not a set amount of champions in tiers. The point of tiers is to set constrains for what constitutes a tier 1, 2, or 3 and whether or not a champion falls within them. It's not to judge the top 50 or so champions. I mean if you would just read his initial post it says [quote] TIER EXPLANATION Tier 1 = best picks. almost always good. Tier 2 = situational. can be better than t1 picks in the right comp. Tier 3 = noticeable flaws but can work. IF IT ISN'T HERE I EITHER FORGOT IT OR I DON'T THINK IT IS WORTH PLAYING/PICKING. [/quote] Basically every champion in tier 2 and 3 is viable but has some issues.[/quote] Not really i think tier list is good how it is the point of tier list is tell you what is strong atm.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Some thoughts: - [[Soraka]] maxing Q and starting spellthief is really good if you've got a poke adc or the enemy lane is also on the poke side. Her Q deals really dumb damage early game. I also don't think Medallion is very relevant on her unless you have brutal initiation capacity or the enemy team has it. I get it brings health regen to the lane, but with Q you can heal or force the enemy laner to lose creeps so it's pretty win-win. That being said, I think she remains very "eh" outside of lane; - The [[cassiopeia]] slight Q buff is actually very relevant. I'm dealing damage now. Yay; - [[Viktor]]'s Q, unlike said last page, is pretty meh now, apart from the instant shield and a weird bug where he can randomly become invincible if the shield is up. Not even sure why it happens or why Riot hasn't noticed the complaints, I've seen it happen three times already. You can max Q versus melees, but it's terrible in any other situation and you lose waveclear, something champions like [[zed]] force you to have or you'll be at your tower missing all them creeps; Also, the current state of midlane, for me, feels very satisfying now. Although there's some clearly dominant champions, I think it's the first time in a long while it feels like you have a really wide roster of champions that, played well, can be extremely relevant throughout the game, instead of 3 "must picks" and the rest being trash or direct counters.[/quote]

[quote=Azhag]Why Evelynn and Nunu are so high in list? I don't see this champions in charts on lolking, same as in games on my silver.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Cooper112][quote=Mooninites]There are not a set amount of champions in tiers. The point of tiers is to set constrains for what constitutes a tier 1, 2, or 3 and whether or not a champion falls within them. It's not to judge the top 50 or so champions. I mean if you would just read his initial post it says [quote] TIER EXPLANATION Tier 1 = best picks. almost always good. Tier 2 = situational. can be better than t1 picks in the right comp. Tier 3 = noticeable flaws but can work. IF IT ISN'T HERE I EITHER FORGOT IT OR I DON'T THINK IT IS WORTH PLAYING/PICKING. [/quote] Basically every champion in tier 2 and 3 is viable but has some issues.[/quote] Not really i think tier list is good how it is the point of tier list is tell you what is strong atm.[/quote] thats exactly what I am saying [quote=azhag] Why Evelynn and Nunu are so high in list? I don't see this champions in charts on lolking, same as in games on my silver. [/quote] stats on lolking do not determine the strength of a champion[/quote]

[quote=Azhag]I think that popularity is equal the strength.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Azhag]I think that popularity is equal the strength.[/quote]if popularity equaled strength then [[Karma]] would be tier 5397 instead of tier 2 .-.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=FalseoGod] - [[Viktor]]'s Q, unlike said last page, is pretty meh now, apart from the instant shield and a weird bug where he can randomly become invincible if the shield is up. Not even sure why it happens or why Riot hasn't noticed the complaints, I've seen it happen three times already. You can max Q versus melees, but it's terrible in any other situation and you lose waveclear, something champions like [[zed]] force you to have or you'll be at your tower missing all them creeps; [/quote] To be fair this was the case before his rework as well. Q maxing only works against melees who can't shove. And even then, because the greater majority of his Q damage is independent of rank, E maxing is always better. I think it's great though. Q feels way more usable now, especially with [[Lich Bane]] and it actually increased his damage output.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=FalseoGod] - [[Viktor]]'s Q, unlike said last page, is pretty meh now, apart from the instant shield and a weird bug where he can randomly become invincible if the shield is up. Not even sure why it happens or why Riot hasn't noticed the complaints, I've seen it happen three times already. You can max Q versus melees, but it's terrible in any other situation and you lose waveclear, something champions like [[zed]] force you to have or you'll be at your tower missing all them creeps; [/quote] To be fair this was the case before his rework as well. Q maxing only works against melees who can't shove. And even then, because the greater majority of his Q damage is independent of rank, E maxing is always better. I think it's great though. Q feels way more usable now, especially with [[Lich Bane]] and it actually increased his damage output.[/quote] Idk, it feels a lot weaker pre-lich bane, I'd never max it against same-ranged mages like I did before (Swain, Ryze) because the trade-off isn't as impressive and I'd probably end up losing the trade if I couldn't get E off. Before you could poke and go before getting a reaction, now you need to land the auto to make it close to worth, which means you'll eat 2 spells. Also I was a die-hard fan of Q max + Yellow core qq But he still feels better. His flaw remains range and mobility but he needs to have counterplay so either he positions and times himself well or he gets destroyed (arguably the same for all midlaners, but specially true for a squishy midrange mage. He is no Swain or Ryze in terms of taking damage)[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I like it better because it increased his early game burst a lot (In total damage). Even his late game damage got buffed theoretically. Although, I agree, his range and mobility is an issue, but having Q core without getting gimped late game is awesome. Can I ask what you build on him? I personally use MS quints, scaling CDR blues with lichbane and Q core rush. Ghost flash. :p[/quote]